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First off I must say that everyone I met were extremely nice and cordial. Reminded me when we use to run in the Viper Days series, great people, great fun, everyone helping each other out. Wish I would have felt better to hang out with everyone and have some nighttime smack activity.

Jeff, Chris, Scott and myself came down in a borrowed cargo van and trailer that we bolted 2 bench seats in from a Chevy Astro van. It wasn’t so bad of a ride but it was definitely limited in the luxury department. I called it the Frozen Fuselage Tour. I got sick on the way down while slamming red bulls and staying behind the wheel for 12 hours straight. It was a Sudaphedrine weekend. The guys all got a little sick also. Guerilla Racing at its finest.

Ron Sr. Don Sleik and Paul Nicotra all had flights in on Friday.

We wanted to go to the dyno but everyone had to get some rest.

Ron Sr. - Jeff - Paul

[image]http://www.supervipersystems.com/SanAntonio/svscrew.jpg[/image]

We came down to San Antonio with the 6 speed in the Stryker. We wanted to compete in every event that we could and also test as much as we could. After running in the street tire shootout, I learned that I needed a gas pedal feel that has greater resistance than the one in the Stryker. The spring that is in the car is way too weak to gauge slippage and be able to compensate quick enough. Also my 6 speed skills need a lot of work and I understand what everyone talks about on the boards about Drag Racing the Viper with a 6 speed. It sure is an art that takes time to learn. The 2 speed? Well that’s like going out for groceries. The best time we pulled with the 6 speed and street tires was an 11.1 @ around 146 or 147mph.

We wasted beautiful testing time Saturday afternoon trying to run in the street tire shootout. When we finally got a chance to put the slicks on and test with the 6 speed it was around 8:00pm and F was it cold! I think it was in the 30’s.We made a couple of passes and I was spinning the tires all the way through third gear. During these runs we also started to test our launch control. The best time with the slicks and the 6 speed was a 10.1 @ 143mph. with a 1.38 60ft. My first 6 speed passes with slicks and testing in over 4 years. Not so bad. We figured the track had went away and we had to leave quickly to install the 2 speed.

6 speed / slicks / launch control testing / 10.3 @ 137mph

6 speed / slicks / launch control testing / 10.1 @ 143mph

[image]http://www.supervipersystems.com/SanAntonio/SanAntonio10.1.jpg[/image]


We packed it up and arrived at North Star Dodge in San Antonio around 9:30pm. Len McDonald (Viper Tech and one hell of a great guy ) at North Star was our savior allowing us to utilize the facility to change out the 6 speed and install the 2 speed. I really enjoyed talking with you that night Len. If you ever get up around Chicago it’s entertainment time for sure. Jeff and Chris (SVS Tech’s) did such a good job this weekend that if it wasn’t for your guys hard work we wouldn’t even get to the line. We finished up around 2:00am and headed back to the Valencia.

[image]http://www.supervipersystems.com/SanAntonio/2speed1.jpg[/image]

[image]http://www.supervipersystems.com/SanAntonio/2speed.jpg[/image]

Sunday we arrived around 12:00 noon and unpacked. No time for testing just straight to racing. We went up for qualifying and pulled the fastest time of the weekend on our first run. 9.16 @ 154.32 with a 1.37 60ft. We made 3 runs after that, 9.27 @ 150.96mph, 9.22 @ 151.57mph and 9.25 @ 150.20mph. The best 60 ft. was a 1.34. I was wondering why the track closed so fast and didn’t allow us time to test? Oh well we will get another day.

We removed some weight from the Stryker TT by placing a carbon fiber hood from our 96 RT10 Road Race Viper. Other weight came from removing necessary equipment needed for racing at the salt flats. We removed 180lbs total.

[image]http://www.supervipersystems.com/SanAntonio/StrykerTT.jpg[/image]

Len McDonald helped keep me in the right frame of mind and gave excellent coaching.

[image]http://www.supervipersystems.com/SanAntonio/lencoach.jpg[/image]

I love my job!

[image]http://www.supervipersystems.com/SanAntonio/lovemyjob.jpg[/image]

Notice anything strange going on during the InCar Video?

In Car / 2speed / 9.16 @ 154.32

Side angle/ 2speed / 9.16 @ 154.32

[image]http://www.supervipersystems.com/SanAntonio/SanAntonio9.1.jpg[/image]


What happened to the 8’s ?????????????? Believe me I’m scratching my head and wondering the whole time I was there. Many people wanted to see it. I’m not really interested in bragging rights only progress. I can tell you that we took 180# out of the Stryker before coming down to San Antonio. We made improvements in our torque converter. We utilized launch control to build the boost on the line. We think we have figured out some of the data and will continue to formulate a plan until next time.

I didn't have a group picture but this is from the standing mile in Nebraska.
Front is Paul, Jr. and Chris - Back is Jeff, Don and Jim H.

[image]http://www.supervipersystems.com/SanAntonio/svscrewa.jpg[/image]

Very cool Trophies!

[image]http://www.supervipersystems.com/SanAntonio/trophies.jpg[/image]

Thanks David Boggs for putting on the event! Everyone was a winner for showing up and having a great time.

jR.
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John Hennessey said:
Here is my offer to Jr. We have a shop car under construction and it should be ready to race some time in the Spring of 2004. I will be more than glad to bring it to an event at Byron, IL in the Spring/Summer. Does that seem fair?
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Thanks for that offer John! /images/graemlins/shocked See ya in the spring. :thumb:
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Albert will trade cars with you for a couple of runs I am sure. Albert is one hell of a driver 99.9% of the time. We have sent him to school last week to tighten him up on the colors Red and Green.
Hope to see you in Florida in Feb.

Rohn
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John,

What was it that you were spraying in the front of the SRT at the line /images/graemlins/confused

I'm thinking it was nitrous?

Wouldn't you consider that charging the intake at the line? Can someone help on this as I'm No2 illiterate.

I know you are trying to cool the intercooler but, a amount gets sucked in the intake also.

Sneaky Pete. /images/graemlins/laughing.gif
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"First and Only Viper SRT in the 9's: 9.75 @ 148.7 (no NOS)"

John, Isn't the 9.75 pass the one your driver told me he sprayed and didn't feel anything so he let off ? He may not of felt it but that doesn't mean it didn't help. My Firebird is the same way...can't really feel it but it's there.
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hey jr!!....give me a yell..i'll come give ya a hand!!..lol...this otta be a fun one!!...maybe even an easy run as i see it...lol....:)
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1TONY1 said:
"First and Only Viper SRT in the 9's: 9.75 @ 148.7 (no NOS)"

John, Isn't the 9.75 pass the one your driver told me he sprayed and didn't feel anything so he let off ? He may not of felt it but that doesn't mean it didn't help. My Firebird is the same way...can't really feel it but it's there.
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Hhhhhmmmm.:idea: Maybe that guy was a disguise to act like he was spraying the intercooler........but really it was so he could purge the NO2 and then you couldn't hear it.

Or does purging of the N02 only come out of the top of the hood /images/graemlins/confused
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Jr. - we sprayed the intercooler on some runs after the burnout to cool it down. Not sure if its of any benefit or not as I think it tends to lead to more wheel spin off the line.

Tony1 - we made our first 2 passes of the day, both without the NOS bottle in the car. The car was inspected and shown to be without the bottle. First pass was 9.88 @ 152.2 (14 psi) with a 1.64 60 ft. and the next pass was 9.75 @ 148.7 (13 psi) with a 1.48 60 ft. When we tried the NOS after repairing the diff, we never got it to work on the 2 final passes of the day. Like everybody else, we got rushed off the track. We got 3 passes in the 9's without NOS that weekend, including a 9.94 on Sat. nite.

With 5 SRT TT's in production right now, we will have a few others headed to the track soon. Maybe FL, we will see.
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hey jr!!....give me a yell..i'll come give ya a hand!!..lol...this otta be a fun one!!...maybe even an easy run as i see it...lol....:)
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Len,

We should do a dual record for the fastest bar stools at the flats.

Betcha I can get mine up to 86.3 mph /images/graemlins/laughing.gif

or..

Lets just go for some coyotes /images/graemlins/ar15firing.gif
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Tony1 - we made our first 2 passes of the day, both without the NOS bottle in the car. The car was inspected and shown to be without the bottle. First pass was 9.88 @ 152.2 (14 psi) with a 1.64 60 ft. and the next pass was 9.75 @ 148.7 (13 psi) with a 1.48 60 ft. When we tried the NOS after repairing the diff, we never got it to work on the 2 final passes of the day. Like everybody else, we got rushed off the track. We got 3 passes in the 9's without NOS that weekend, including a 9.94 on Sat. nite.
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Good thing.....it still makes me sick watching the dyno video, a stock motor making 998rwtq. That's insane!! If only I wasn't a po old boy fro the hills O' Georgia /images/graemlins/hot
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Man, this thread started out interesting and quickly turned into nothing more than a bunch of bickering. Hey SVS and Hennessey, you should be offering each other encouraging words not shredding each other. This is worse that those lame Ford versus Chevy debates. The bottom line is that a nice car is a nice car...regardless of the make. And similarly, a fast car is a fast car regardless of the tuner. SVS put down some damn impressive numbers at the Texas shootout and they should be given credit for it. But don't forget that Hennessey also put out some killer e.t.s (9.75) and he was the ONLY fast SRT-10 there. If I have the facts correct he didn't enter the shootout because his rear diff blew up, not because he was afraid to run. With the new SRT-10 nobody knows what parts will live and what parts will break, and unfortunately John found that out during shakedown runs. Plus, you have to give John credit for showing up with a new SRT-10 and being the first tuner to offer some serious parts for them. Don't get me wrong...I like the RT/10 and GTS cars, but the future is the SRT-10 and there was only one tuner there with anything...and that was Hennessey. Somebody stated that it would have been nice to see the SVS car run with the 6-speed rather than the auto. I agree, especially since there were so many bad words about Hennessey's 8.93 car being a "cheater" because he'd installed an auto, then the SVS car shows up with an auto and it's all fine and dandy. I say, have SVS bring their car to Florida with the 6-speed and have Hennessey show up with a SRT-10 with a 6-speed and see who's king!
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Here's the Super Viper Smackdown challenge...

Florida showdown between SVS and Hennessey:
-factory six speed manuals only
-no nitrous
-no funky lightening or weight savings (full interiors, full suspension, power windows, stereo, etc.)
-plus make them drive them 100 miles to prove their road worthiness.

Loser shakes the winner's hand in front of everybody and gives credit where it's due!
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King GTS
IMHO SVS put down a heck of a number. PERIOD. They showed and did a great job. They get all the credit in the world. And I'm sure they got the respect of a lot of folks too. Great to finally get some street credibility because the "word" was to the contrary before San Antone'. But a 9.1 ET is a far cry from an 8.9 ET. How can you run any smack at all when you didn't break any records or do anything that hasn't been done already? I can see if you guys ran an 8.9 ET and tied or beat Hennessey's record. But you didn't. And frankly you should be glad that his customer didn't wanna race. We're talking about automatic cars here. What would've stopped Hennessey from running the same number or better? Not tryin to stir the pot this time. Maybe I'm just clueless about the whole racin thing. But IMO, in retrospect, you should be glad that Venom auto didn't show. Or maybe you guys would've just liked to line up w/ the best/fastest out there. Don't take this post the wrong way. Just my
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True and true but exactly why (TRUTH) didn't Terry show? Word on the street is, but does the street always tell the truth.
"No one will beat my 8 sec. run so why show", I am sure that John Force works much the same right? I Won last week, I hold the record so why show until someone gets close.
As goes the talk about SVS so goes the talk about Terry running that number again. Then just maybe Terry does not enjoy the track as others do and that to is legit I guess. He gave John his Viper to run the 8 sec. run so does he have a problem giving the Viper to him again. I know my Viper may never hit close to an 8 sec. run but my money is on SVS if the 2 cars ever line up against each other especially TT against TT and no Nitrous.
John has other TT's in the pipe line but SVS would (I think) rather line up against Terry's Viper, it holds the record.
I for one think that the 8 sec. run will be hard to duplicate with either Viper. I do feel that with John's continued R & D he might be the best bet with one of his other TT to eventually get close to or beat it, who's to know.

The "I won't show until another Viper matches my record" is BS. The best way to settle this is if Terry brought the Viper to Florida in Feb. Maybe some money can be found and put up for the winner, best 2 out of 3.

King, w/ getbit getting back into a Viper you are the last holdout, go write a checkwe know you have the $$$$$ /images/graemlins/thumbs2
Merry Christmas to all even you King
Rohn
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King
True and true but exactly why (TRUTH) didn't Terry show? Word on the street is, but does the street always tell the truth.
"No one will beat my 8 sec. run so why show", I am sure that John Force works much the same right? I Won last week, I hold the record so why show until someone gets close.
As goes the talk about SVS so goes the talk about Terry running that number again. Then just maybe Terry does not enjoy the track as others do and that to is legit I guess. He gave John his Viper to run the 8 sec. run so does he have a problem giving the Viper to him again. I know my Viper may never hit close to an 8 sec. run but my money is on SVS if the 2 cars ever line up against each other especially TT against TT and no Nitrous.
John has other TT's in the pipe line but SVS would (I think) rather line up against Terry's Viper, it holds the record.
I for one think that the 8 sec. run will be hard to duplicate with either Viper. I do feel that with John's continued R & D he might be the best bet with one of his other TT to eventually get close to or beat it, who's to know.

The "I won't show until another Viper matches my record" is BS. The best way to settle this is if Terry brought the Viper to Florida in Feb. Maybe some money can be found and put up for the winner, best 2 out of 3.

King, w/ getbit getting back into a Viper you are the last holdout, go write a checkwe know you have the $$$$$ /images/graemlins/thumbs2
Merry Christmas to all even you King
Rohn
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Rack him! Good post Rohn. Good points.

Merry Christmas to you and your family too buddy. Hope you guys enjoy it and have a Happy New Year!
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John Hennessey
Well, all we can go by is what our customers want to do with their cars. Everybody has a different goal with their cars. Our customer's goal was to have the quickest V10 Viper in the world and to run an 8. We attained these goals for him 8 months ago. It's his car, he spent the money and he really has no interest in proving anything to anybody. On the other hand, I would love nothing more than to be able to take his car to the track every chance I get and race SVS or any other fast Viper. But I dont get to make that choice.

Here are a few facts about the 8.93 Venom Twin Turbo: It ran 8.93 with a 95 deg. ambient air temp back in May. The car had been running for about 4 months prior to the 8. It ran 9.9 at its first trip to the track. Ran 9.6 on its second trip to the track. Ran 9.2 on its 3rd trip. And ran 8.9 on its 4th trip. We turned the number on 10 psi and a 150 shot. This car has another half second and 10+ mph in it. We never came close to being anywhere close to its full potential. Once we attained the customer's goals with the car, we sent the car to him. Its a total street car with full interior, AC, CD player. I would love to show it off to everybody at the track, but the owner is having more fun showing it off to his friends in PA and that is the way it should be.

We built the first 8-second V10-powered Viper and we will build a few more 8-second Vipers including an SRT. We will race them if our customers give us the green light to do so.

SVS has a lot to be proud of with what they have accomplished with their Viper. They own the car and can decide when and where to race it. And I am sure that their customers can decide if they want their cars raced too.

I promise Ron Jr. that we will bring a car to IL in 2004 to race him at his home track. And I am sure we will match up at future V10 Nationals events and some standing mile events. I love the racing action and look forward to some good head to head competition in the future.
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Hey SVS, it does sound as if people (including Hennessey) are giving credit where credit is due. You guys did put down some amazing numbers at the Texas ho-down and nobody disputes that. But you also have to understand that you own your car and can bring it where you want whereas Hennessey must respect what his customer wants to do with their car. True, Hennessey could go out and buy his own car, put the total tune on it, and then race his own car whenever he wants...but why would he effectively spend $100-150K just to have one race? Pretty expensive way to try to prove a point.

I still say, have SVS show up in Florida with their GTS and have Hennessey show up with his SRT-10. No nitrous, no automatics, no funky lightening programs, and drive the cars to the track. Bolt on slicks, line them up, and see who runs the low e.t. of the day. C'mon...who's with me on this one?
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Here is my take:

SVS great Job in race. Number was obtained where we all saw it.

HMS Great Job deveolping the TT and world record holder

we need to see these two gohead to head auto for auto.

But do not forget this:

RSI has a Auto that is being deeveloped or maybe I should say perfected that should add alot of wood on the fire. I would not be surprised to see several auto's in the mix in the near future.

Hms has an advantage with more experience in Drag Racing and he is working hard developing his product but I got a feeling that others aren't far behind.

This should keep things exciting int he 2004 V-10 Nationals Race series.
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John Hennessey
All good points Dr. Roof. There could be a half dozen auto trans. Vipers racing at Bowling Green this coming Spring. I think every tuner should have an auto Viper and show everyone how fast their fastest car is. Roof - now that you are leading the charge for the drag racers and have a schedule for future events, this will help motivate everyone to be more competitive. More competition will make for quicker and faster cars. I know we are working hard to remain competitive at the track.

It is funny to see how quickly the "if its got an auto its not a Viper" crowd decided to get an auto. Now they (RSI) just need to figure out how to use it.

MachoMan - we have a few customer TT cars in production that we have the approval to race, both 6-speed and auto. We will be glad to match up boost vs. boost or how ever the fast cars want to race.
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I wonder who will be the first to use a 3 speed auto? :nod:



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Hey SVS,
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Hey, Hey,.....Hey Hey Hey.......Nacho, Nacho Maaannn......I've got to be...... a Nacho man.

Living at the ..........

FN with ya. Listen Nacho your cracking all the chips on the floor that you dropped. At first when I read your posts the score was even......now I tend to feel it very weighted. Sorry but I'm not going to be ensnared by some possible alter ego with low posts just coming on the scene. Thats all fine and dandy that you are so hep on things being the way that you see it but you sure are pushing for a certain matchup. I have seen how people get roasted on this board for being newbies and you tend to leave me wondering.

If you are the latter of the above, please kindly disregard. :cheers:

Sure I would race boost only Stryker TT GTS against Venom TT SRT - 6 speed
Maybe by then it will be Stryker TT SRT against Venom TT SRT - 6 speed
And then again it might be a bunch of SRT TT's in the mix by FLA.

I will race you John. :nod: Tuner for Tuner. But you have all the 6 speed drag racing expierience? I have zilch. All I want for Christmas is my Drag racing school.

My Fla. ideas. This isn't for the whole event just Top honors.

1st day is 6 speed matchups boost only(supercharged and turbo)and NO2 match ups for those who desire.
Best 2 out of 3
2nd day is auto match ups with the same Viper used the day before. Just like SVS did it in Texas. Get out your wrenches dudes.
Best 2 out of 3

So John..... after we are done dragracing lets go to Moroso and run 2 stock SRT's for 20 laps. I'll even give ya a head start. How much do ya need? 30 seconds. /images/graemlins/laughing.gif

Welcome to HOT AIR INTERNET LINES, unfasten your seatbelts your in for a smoooooooth ride! /images/graemlins/nana
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