craig, dont you realize that no matter how many times Red5 wins or loses, the vette will always be the king of the road for him? i mean hell, when i was a kid, all i could afford was a huffy, therefore, a huffy was the best bike in the world. it didnt matter that i was losing to Hoffman's, Giants, GT Performers, all that mattered was it was the best that i could afford, and since i rode it, it was in a class of its own 