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Anyone using these? I know a lot of guys on here recomend T&D, but what about the Arrow rockers (performance, install etc.)? Price looks real good, and they were recomended by a VERY good source to me.
 

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Depends on what other mods you have. If you dont have headers, and a full exhaust system, the modification is pretty useless. I did notice a difference on mine. Most people expect 10-15rwhp on a "stock" GTS with headers and exhaust. You can get a bit more if you toss in a Mopar Performance computer but they are hard to come by these days. Forced induction cars get even more of a gain out of the rockers.
 

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Depends on what other mods you have. If you dont have headers, and a full exhaust system, the modification is pretty useless. I did notice a difference on mine. Most people expect 10-15rwhp on a "stock" GTS with headers and exhaust. You can get a bit more if you toss in a Mopar Performance computer but they are hard to come by these days. Forced induction cars get even more of a gain out of the rockers.
Thanks Smokin,
I plan on doing a complete exhaust (headers, cats and exhaust) before the installation of the rockers. Ultimatley I will doing a Roe supercharger. Did you do new pushrods with your rockers?
 

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Yes, you will need new pushrods. You might be able to call any of the big tuners and they can give you the specs on the pushrods. You can just order the pushrods from Summit.
 

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Yes, you will need new pushrods. You might be able to call any of the big tuners and they can give you the specs on the pushrods. You can just order the pushrods from Summit.
Thanks, that sounds good. Do you think Arrow would already have the pushrods specs that should be used with their rockers?
 

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I am going with Arrows. Arrow should have the correct length......make sure to get one piece pushrods and not the ones with balls on the ends like stock. Still need to double check the length at install.
 

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I am going with Arrows. Arrow should have the correct length......make sure to get one piece pushrods and not the ones with balls on the ends like stock. Still need to double check the length at install.
Thanks 1TONY1. Did I see your car on the V-10 Nationals DVD?
 

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Sean Roe uses Arrow rollers on his personal Viper - the one that spends half the time on a dyno whenever Sean improves his supercharger system.
 

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Sean Roe uses Arrow rollers on his personal Viper - the one that spends half the time on a dyno whenever Sean improves his supercharger system.
Hey Kenny, did ya ever get the Mopars on?

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SUN RA KAT said:
Sean Roe uses Arrow rollers on his personal Viper - the one that spends half the time on a dyno whenever Sean improves his supercharger system.
Hey Kenny, did ya ever get the Mopars on?

Mike
Sure did - I would have gotten the Arrows, but I got linked up with a gentleman who was selling his last extra set of Mopar Perfomance T&D 1.7 roller rockers for less than $800. The 1.7 really added a lot of power to the midrange - where I drive mine at - and also added some power to the top end (estimated 25 rear wheel horsepower).
 

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I've heard good and bad things about the Arrow rockers. I went with the Crower rockers and I've been pleased with them so far. I also read both good and bad stories about the Crowers, but mine have been fine for over a year.

I've only read good things about the T&D rockers, but they are truly pricey.
I would have gone with the T&Ds in a heartbeat if I could have found them for $800, which is only a bit more than what I paid for the crowers, but the prices that I was quoted for the T&Ds was more than double the price of Arrows and Crower rockers.
 

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SUN RA KAT,

Where did you get the T&Ds for that price ?? Thats a helluva price !!
It was his last extra set - the last set he had Sean Roe install along with something else that I already had on his Viper. And, including postage it was $775 total.
 

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I've heard good and bad things about the Arrow rockers. I went with the Crower rockers and I've been pleased with them so far. I also read both good and bad stories about the Crowers, but mine have been fine for over a year.

I've only read good things about the T&D rockers, but they are truly pricey.
I would have gone with the T&Ds in a heartbeat if I could have found them for $800, which is only a bit more than what I paid for the crowers, but the prices that I was quoted for the T&Ds was more than double the price of Arrows and Crower rockers.
Crowers can be particularly bad on this car(due to the cost to replaced expensive parts). They lack the supporting shaft that the Arrows and T&D's have and have been know to shift off of the valve. Do a search on the .org board and keep an eye on them.
 

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I had read those stories about the Crowers, but I had also read that those problems were related to not using Viper specific Crower RRs. The ones that I installed had retainer guides unlike pics that I had seen of the ones that people said failed.

Apparently there are cheaper ones (that are not designed as a upgrade for the Viper) that lack the retainer guides.
 

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King GTS said:
NEVER BUY ARROW ROCKERS!!!!!
Why? Do you have a horror story about them? I have only heard good things.
 

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Simms, I was on the DVD, unfortunatly I burnt the clutch up on the first Sunday pass with et streets. There was a problem with Arrows early on.....that problem has been taken care of a year or so ago. You can ask Arrow or Sean Roe about the problem. I "think" there was a bad batch of adjusters that would break...but it's been awhile since I heard the story. The t&d's.....to be installed correctly, the heads must be pulled to mill the rocker stands. T&D will tell you the same thing. That said, there are many many sets on heads that have not been milled and have the wrong geometry with no problems.
 

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Simms, I was on the DVD, unfortunatly I burnt the clutch up on the first Sunday pass with et streets. There was a problem with Arrows early on.....that problem has been taken care of a year or so ago. You can ask Arrow or Sean Roe about the problem. I "think" there was a bad batch of adjusters that would break...but it's been awhile since I heard the story. The t&d's.....to be installed correctly, the heads must be pulled to mill the rocker stands. T&D will tell you the same thing. That said, there are many many sets on heads that have not been milled and have the wrong geometry with no problems.
Thanks 1TONY1. Chuck Tator was telling me the same thing.
 
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