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Do Viper Headers really cost 10 to 20 times as much to R&D and fabricate?
 

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Is it correct the V10 there is the Gen 1 motor. More proof we are getting screwed over on prices.
 

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J DAWG said:
Is it correct the V10 there is the Gen 1 motor. More proof we are getting screwed over on prices.
Nothing new really.. Viper prices on many things are way overpriced.. I know the standard arguements.. but still the R&D on many items that have the Viper "Tax" is way over on the bullshitometer scale.
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Do Viper Headers really cost 10 to 20 times as much to R&D and fabricate?
Did you price a set of these bad boys $1800 - $2500 for Viper Headers. :pissed:

Holy Shit. They answer the phone and service me for that price!!!!!! /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif

This shit is just killing me!!! :nuts:
 

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I have a set of B&B's I am selling for $1500 shipped. :burn: :burn:
 

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If you break it down it's just a bunch of bent metal tubing welded to a flange with 5 holes and a few bolt holes. You make one master then just copy it over and over.

Viper Header cost breakdown:

Material $20
R&D $100
Manufacturing labor $100
Viper tax What ever you can get
 

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Shit I just bought they TNT Headers 1-3/4.

These are the best for my application
 

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How much were they? I am looking at HMS , Belanger , not Edelbrock , maybe B&B , Borla? not sure,SVSI?? and Making some locally?????? driving me nuts!!!!!!!!!!
 

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GTSnake said:
If you break it down it's just a bunch of bent metal tubing welded to a flange with 5 holes and a few bolt holes. You make one master then just copy it over and over.

Viper Header cost breakdown:

Material $20
R&D $100
Manufacturing labor $100
Viper tax What ever you can get
Anybody can weld up some pipe. But few designs will make any power. That is why so much research goes into them. With that goes the added expense of the part. I have a good article on jetski pipes. How one company built over 200 different sets before they found the one that makes power and not breaks even or losses power. If it was so easy to design and build a "good" header I would be in business doing it.

You can buy a header kit for V8's for next to nothing but the trick is to make power not just look good. Flow is everything, must be balanced or why even bother.

Where is the proof that those truck headers make any power at all? They could just be all looks. Anyone can post a dyno sheet, who is to say it is legit? Just like timeslips, anyone want to buy some? From high 7's on up /images/graemlins/laughing.gif Claim it to be your own. :nod:



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viper spray said:
How much were they? I am looking at HMS , Belanger , not Edelbrock , maybe B&B , Borla? not sure,SVSI?? and Making some locally?????? driving me nuts!!!!!!!!!!
I was advised by DW that I should use TNT's 1-3/4s. Best for what I was going to do. Hey VS, If you are going to do the same thing as I am doing with my car then DW can get them for you, install them and everything for a good price!! :thumb:
 

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MuthafuckinVipertaxbastards!

Someone should take this guy a set of Bellangers or B&B and see if he'll do 'em for $500 a pop. He's prolly jump on it like a hobo on a ham sammich!
All the R&D is done!



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Viperjoe said:
MuthafuckinVipertaxbastards!

Someone should take this guy a set of Bellangers or B&B and see if he'll do 'em for $500 a pop. He's prolly jump on it like a hobo on a ham sammich!
All the R&D is done!



Tired of gettin the open cheek cornhole special!
I know someone who owns an exhaust specialty shop. They build everything from basic aftercat systems to custom turbo headers.
Will he copy someone elses design? I don't know but can ask.
If he says he can "copy" it I would need to have the "originals" so he can "copy" it.
Of course it would not be an exact copy ;)
I will not ask him about anyone who is a board member and tuner, that is not cool. But I will ask about "modifying" someone elses. Maybe a change in flange design? As in the shape of it. Not the port shape, the outer contour. Or maybe the thickness of it.

Just an idea. Should I ask? Yes or no.




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Jerome said:
Viperjoe said:
MuthafuckinVipertaxbastards!

Someone should take this guy a set of Bellangers or B&B and see if he'll do 'em for $500 a pop. He's prolly jump on it like a hobo on a ham sammich!
All the R&D is done!



Tired of gettin the open cheek cornhole special!
I know someone who owns an exhaust specialty shop. They build everything from basic aftercat systems to custom turbo headers.
Will he copy someone elses design? I don't know but can ask.
If he says he can "copy" it I would need to have the "originals" so he can "copy" it.
Of course it would not be an exact copy ;)
I will not ask him about anyone who is a board member and tuner, that is not cool. But I will ask about "modifying" someone elses. Maybe a change in flange design? As in the shape of it. Not the port shape, the outer contour. Or maybe the thickness of it.

Just an idea. Should I ask? Yes or no.
Did someone say copy???

Sincerely,

ViperMed





Seriously, the top headers used Burns collectors which are not cheap at all. That said - I always thought they could be made way cheaper. But no one has done this in years so maybe there is more to it than just a pile of stainless pipe.
 

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GTSnake said:
If you break it down it's just a bunch of bent metal tubing welded to a flange with 5 holes and a few bolt holes. You make one master then just copy it over and over.

Viper Header cost breakdown:

Material $20
R&D $100
Manufacturing labor $100
Viper tax What ever you can get
ROFL

$20.00 for Material, obviously you have no clue as to how much just 1 U or L bend costs. And you dont want to know how many are needed to build just 1 set of viper headers.

$100.00 for R&D? Why dont you just design a set and sell them. That $100.00 will get you a long way to make those Viper payments.

Manufacturing $100.00 even if you get some migrant worker who just happens to know how to weld @$7.00 an hour $100.00 would not cover it.

Wake up, the headers being sold for the trucks are not what viper owners would buy.
 

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rwhp said:
ROFL

$20.00 for Material, obviously you have no clue as to how much just 1 U or L bend costs. And you dont want to know how many are needed to build just 1 set of viper headers.

$100.00 for R&D? Why dont you just design a set and sell them. That $100.00 will get you a long way to make those Viper payments.

Manufacturing $100.00 even if you get some migrant worker who just happens to know how to weld @$7.00 an hour $100.00 would not cover it.

Wake up, the headers being sold for the trucks are not what viper owners would buy.
Last time I checked, I didn't give up my "viper owner" proxy vote to you. The headers they posted looked nice, if they put out a decent HP gain, I'd have no problem running em on my viper. If it takes someone 15 hours to weld up a set of headers (using the $7 an hour idea), no wonder you are so ok with paying 3k+ for a set of headers.. /images/graemlins/freak3.gif Last time I checked, Making an L or U bend didn't fall under material cost.. A reasonable amount of money for a custom set of headers is probably around $1000-$1500 for the first set.. and quite a bit less than that for the following ones, once they have a template up and running.
 

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Anthony - 98 GTS said:
Jerome said:
Viperjoe said:
MuthafuckinVipertaxbastards!

Someone should take this guy a set of Bellangers or B&B and see if he'll do 'em for $500 a pop. He's prolly jump on it like a hobo on a ham sammich!
All the R&D is done!



Tired of gettin the open cheek cornhole special!
I know someone who owns an exhaust specialty shop. They build everything from basic aftercat systems to custom turbo headers.
Will he copy someone elses design? I don't know but can ask.
If he says he can "copy" it I would need to have the "originals" so he can "copy" it.
Of course it would not be an exact copy ;)
I will not ask him about anyone who is a board member and tuner, that is not cool. But I will ask about "modifying" someone elses. Maybe a change in flange design? As in the shape of it. Not the port shape, the outer contour. Or maybe the thickness of it.

Just an idea. Should I ask? Yes or no.
Did someone say copy???

Sincerely,

ViperMed





Seriously, the top headers used Burns collectors which are not cheap at all. That said - I always thought they could be made way cheaper. But no one has done this in years so maybe there is more to it than just a pile of stainless pipe.
They would not be a direct copy, I would not be envolved in something like that. They would just use them as a starting point for a new design. And yes they would be dyno tested. This guy is big in the drag race scene and is very well known among the F-body guys as well as others. I don't want to mention his name as he has no idea that I even mentioned this.

True that Burns collectors are big buck, but the rest of the pipes are just that, pipes. He can bend his own, he has a CNC mandrel bender so that will take care of that. And for the flanges, he has them water jetted or CNC machined. Either way they are top notch. Heat coatings are also no problem, whether for mild steel or stainless.

This is just in the idea phase now.

$3000 for headers is bullshit, I can and have had one offs made for less. Not for a Viper but none the less...




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