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So my first post here is a request for help. I know...not the best way to start but anyway,

I just recently bought my first Viper and I decided on a 1999 ACR. A know the ACR has 18 inch BBS wheels, KONI 2812 shocks, etc... The car was out of state so it was kinda hard to check it out. Fortunately some nice local Viper guys decided to help me out. The report was good. Everything about the car checks out. Only thing is, the car has different shocks. The dealer told me the shocks had been upgraded (remember that word - UPGRADED), but he has the original shocks in a box. I decided that was okay and I bought the car. So I flew out there and made the deal and drove it home. I forgot about the shocks. After I got home I called the dealer and he said he would ship them to me. Well it has been a month now and he still can't find them. He is telling me that I am outta luck, because the ad never mentioned the shocks. I explained to him that I understand the AD did not mention them, but instead he did. Then I said if I had known I was not going to get the shocks, that I would not have bought the car.

So, do either of us have a leg to stand on? What should/could I do?

Mark
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If you don't have it in writing i think you'll have a tough time reneging on the deal.

What shocks are in the car now? Perhaps the shocks really are upgraded?
 

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If you don't have it in writing i think you'll have a tough time reneging on the deal.

What shocks are in the car now? Perhaps the shocks really are upgraded?
I wish they really were upgraded, what I forgot to mention was, they are standard GTS shocks.

So, even though he told me over the phone that he would give me the original ACR shocks, I don't have any hope?

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probably got swapped out because it had the acr "ratttler" shocks that will drive you nuts from the noise. Shitty deal, hope it works out, if not there's a bunch of aftermarket choices for you.
 

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probably got swapped out because it had the acr "ratttler" shocks that will drive you nuts from the noise. Shitty deal, hope it works out, if not there's a bunch of aftermarket choices for you.
Yeah, I spoke with the original owner and that was his reason for taking them out.

Can you tell me what would be the best aftermarket choice?

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Lots of choices out there. You could get Penskes, Konis, Motons or Dynamics valved for the Viper pretty quickly. However, they won't be cheap. You can expect to spend between $2-4k on a decent to very good set of shocks and adapter hardware.
 

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Why did you go with the Penske's? There is a set of ACR KONI 2812's for sale in the classifieds (haven't heard back from the seller though) for $3000. So if I am to consider spending approx. $3000 what shocks should I go for? I will drive the car mostly on the street and likely just the weekends. I foresee getting into the autocross scene and road courses, but likely no more than a dozen times a year.

If you can please also include references or links to sponsors that carry these items.

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If you do a dozen road courses a year then I'd say you're into it. In fact, if you only tracked 3 or 4 times I'd still say you're into it.

Penske shocks are what the late great PMUM ran. Erik Messley at EMI Racing is the one that set up Mumford's Viper.
 

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Is it a large dealership? If you raise enough hell, you should be able to get some shocks out of the deal. Sqeaky wheel gets the grease! Go to the top if you have to, but don't stop bitching. Be polite, but persistant!
 

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What a shitty way to get into the Viper 'hood. I would post the name of the scumbag dealer so that we can sent them a piece of our minds. Let them know that Viper owners are not too happy with the deal and would think twice about dealing with them. Hopefully the negative email will get to the top.
 

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Is it a large dealership? If you raise enough hell, you should be able to get some shocks out of the deal. Sqeaky wheel gets the grease! Go to the top if you have to, but don't stop bitching. Be polite, but persistant!

Mark , I agree with BC on this one..I'd be there worst nightmare, tell them that your tightly knit in the Viper community and you'll make it a point to post your bad experience on all the boards. It's not Defamation of Character when your telling the truth ! Fuck with them ! /images/graemlins/ar15firing.gif
 

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I was supposed to hear back from them today, but that did not happen. I figure I will give them until the end of the week then I will take some action. I am not sure what to do, but I guess I have until the end of the week to come up with something. I will not let this go.

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Welcome to the Alley!
I am Sorry to hear about your ordeal.
I do not know the power of the Viper boards when it comes to negative things. But We have had so much Posotive come from the group power of this Board.
Post the Bastards name and lets see if we are a Lobby group or not. /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif
 

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I really do appreciate anybody that is willing to help out. I would rather wait until the end of the week and then I will speak to them one last time. If the outcome of the conversation is good, then I will be happy and quiet. If not, I will be happy to give names, addresses, etc...

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Just quit fucking with the salesman. He can't make the call anyway! Speak with the GM and or the owner. Why wait until the end of the week if they said they'd call you today? Nonsense! Get on the phone!
 

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Sure you get the BBS wheels (ACR only) and the 5-point harnesses, but more than anything else, the shock/spring package is what sets the ACR apart from a standard GTS.

As dampers go, it isn't simply the name on the outside, it's the valving on the inside that make a car do what it does. IOW, a generic Koni 2812 is not a Viper-tuned 2812.
 

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Mark , save your yourself from the added frustration and litigation fee's..If all you have is he said she said you don't have a leg to stand on.

Take this one in the shorts and cut your loss's..But make it very clear to the dealer/seller that what he saved in shafting you will cost him expedentially more.

Post his name and contact info here on the board and we can mentally mind fuck with him like no other /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Karma is a bitch .

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Well my attorney says I have a very good case. A case of misrepresentation. He is going to draft up a letter and send it to the dealership by Friday. Let them mull it over the entire weekend and see if they don't just cough up a set of shocks or cash equivalent.

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