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OK, so I finally get to ride in a Twin Turbo Viper -- Yellow Fever's car to be exact. He comes into my community and I hear the whoosh of his turbo as he hits 50 mph in what seemed like 2 seconds and then brakes for my driveway, pulls in and we start talking. After some time we decide to take his car to lunch.

Now all I have been hearing on these forums from current and ex super charger guys is how when they go for a ride in a turbo car, they are blown away by how it feels. I gotta call bullshit on this. If there's a difference between Yellow Fever's car and mine in terms of INSTANT torque or 'throwing you back in your seat' feeling, it is negligible -- I didn't feel it. His car hits HARD! But so does mine. In fact, I thought that my car from a 3K punch hit harder than Jeff's, but Jeff felt his hit harder. Under 3K I would bet that Jeff's car would feel harder, but we didn't test that range. What we should have done is threw my G-tech into each car and measured the lateral G-force, but I just thought of that -- Ha. If we were to have run today, we both would have been running 93 octane instead of crappy 91, and I would have clicked my 'power knob' over into race mode. What Jeff felt was the daily driver mode of my car.

My car produces more HP than Jeff's, but his produces my max Torque number way down low in the RPM range. I would have expected Jeff's car to blow his fawking wheels off the road, but I was amazed that 19 inch pilots hooked in 2nd gear from a 3K pedal mash -- He must put super glue on those things -- boggles my mind. Makes me reconsider some 19 inch BLINGERS for my car.

What I really liked about Jeff's car is the drivability of it. The car was quiet -- like REALLY quiet. We had the radio going, top off and were holding a conversation. Under wide open throttle, it was probably as quiet as my car is 3K rpm- LOL! My car sounded really good when I finally had all my exhaust on, prior to one of my mufflers falling apart. Nowhere near as quiet as his, but tough sounding and not obnoxious like it is right now. My car when exceeding certain RPM's starts blowing off the excess air, and that sounds cool to me -- constant WHOOOOOOOOOSH! But it certainly is loud, but I wouldn't change that about my car.

His car was smooth... mine has some lope to it -- some people prefer a louder more tough sound from their viper, and a little cam lope is desired by many. But this really has to do with the cam in my car and not the supercharger. To be honest, Jeff's car would be too quiet for me on my GTS -- sounds too docile -- a sleeper for sure. On the SRT-10 that I plan on getting, the sound of Jeff's car would be perfect -- a sleeper is what I would want in that car! Jeff has the ultimate sleeper that will rape practically everything on the road without them knowing they are about to be raped.

Jeff's car ran cool from everything I saw. It looks better in person than in the photos, especially his wheels. Jeff's a good driver too.

So what's the verdict? Bottom line is I feel that my car felt and pulled harder. Jeff can agree to disagree with me on this one and we won't know until we actually race each other, but I would be willing to lay some good coin down on myself from a 2nd or 3rd gear roll on.

And those of you who have superchargers and say that the turbos feel like night and day on throwing you back in your seat, you need to upgrade your super charger set up and get you some more torque. Maybe I was expecting this night and day difference, and expected too much?

What would I get on my SRT-10? To be honest, I would probably go with a Turbo. Not because it felt stronger or any of those reasons. I would go with the turbo because it would allow me to have a QUIET car that sounds and runs stock -- something where I can turn boost down to almost nothing and let my gal run around town in it, and then crank it up when I wanna go out with the boys. That makes it worth it. HOWEVER, I would want a turbo system that makes my supercharger setup feel slow -- and to do that would probably require substantial upgrades to other non-engine parts.

Just thought I would give you guys my opinion of both vehicles -- this from somebody who has a supercharger, but who will most likely get a turbo on the Gen 3 if drivetrain issues are worked out for the power I would like.

Manny
 

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Good Summary Manny ! I'll be the first to admit your car Hauls ass !
I'd even be willing to go out on a limb and say that it feels like in the Higher RPM range 4500 RPM + it pulls harder than mine.
But thats the way Centrifugal Blowers work..They build boost as the RPM's climb so you definetly get the ongoing pull for a longer duration.

I guess the bottom line is just a matter of Preference...I've owned a supercharged car so my transition to a TT made sense. Now that you own a Blown car I'm sure your next car will also be a TT..and I suspect that the good Dr will migrate to a TT with his new SRT.

No matter which way you slice both cars a rediculiously fast..I just prefer having the best of Both worlds and I feel that a TT Can deliver that.

:cheers:


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Well, after a couple weeks of hyping it up, "my car feels faster to me" is all I need. Thanks for the unbiased, empirical data.
 

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I was initially shocked to learn the TT cars make more torque than the supercharged cars at lower rpm's. Against what I had been taught.

Driveablility is a very important item to consider when modding your car. If you go too far, then driving the car normally can become a chore.

Great write up Manny :thumb:
 

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Dang guys, all this talk.. It would have been funny if you two raced......realllll funny......
lots of people would have been eating their words /images/graemlins/laughing.gif
 

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Hey Manny - good report. Jeff - what boost were you running when Manny got his ride? Manny - what boost does your car run?

All I can say Manny is that you need to go for a ride in a SRT TT making 12 psi or more and see how that feels.

Congrats to both on 2 really cool cars.
 

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I'm running somewhere around 12 to 14 pounds of boost. I have only seen it hit 12, but I was told my WCV that it hit 14 on the Dyno. I'm not really looking at the boost guage when the car is damn near going sideways when accelerating.

Jeff told me he was running 13 pounds of boost on his turbo.
 

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What ????? Was it girls day out ? Free pedicures ? Did you two strip down to your panties and bras and talk about the boy friends ????????????? I thought there was going to be some racing !! GEEESH.
 

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Manny_C said:
I'm running somewhere around 12 to 14 pounds of boost. I have only seen it hit 12, but I was told my WCV that it hit 14 on the Dyno. I'm not really looking at the boost guage when the car is damn near going sideways when accelerating.

Jeff told me he was running 13 pounds of boost on his turbo.
? I thought I read in a prior post he is running 10 lbs tuned at 91-93 octane and can put another card in for race gas?
 

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Manny, you should have put your car in "race" mode! /images/graemlins/smiles
 

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Neat write up. Good info.
 

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Manny, you should have put your car in "race" mode! /images/graemlins/smiles
I was running shitty California 91 octane pump gas. Race mode is reserved for good ol' Florida 93 Octane gas, and I didn't feel like putting a gallon of extra fuel in the car just to go for a run. It will be in race mode when the race hits.
 

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What ????? Was it girls day out ? Free pedicures ? Did you two strip down to your panties and bras and talk about the boy friends ????????????? I thought there was going to be some racing !! GEEESH.
:stupid: /images/graemlins/laughing.gif fucking homos, nice write up thought. Hey Manny my ex car is night and day from yours /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif 880tq @ 4500rmps /images/graemlins/drive Then again I did run 15lbs :idea:
 

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1TONY1 said:
What ????? Was it girls day out ? Free pedicures ? Did you two strip down to your panties and bras and talk about the boy friends ????????????? I thought there was going to be some racing !! GEEESH.
:stupid: /images/graemlins/laughing.gif fucking homos, nice write up thought. Hey Manny my ex car is night and day from yours /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif 880tq @ 4500rmps /images/graemlins/drive Then again I did run 15lbs :idea:
You need the extra 55 foot pounds of torque to haul your heavy ass around! Vegas in 2 months -- better hit the gym!
 

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Manny - that is about as good a write up comparing the relative characteristics of a TT and SC car as I've seen. Good post! :nod:
 

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Damn it! I feel like a failure! I know that I was given another chance I could make Jeff's car louder. LOL.

It sounds to me that both Doug and I have done our jobs well. Both of you have what you wanted out of a car and that you like your car is all that matters. If Paolo doesn't watch it, Jeff just might break his record for most miles driven in a Viper in one year. Over 3500 miles in 6 to 8 weeks? Don't you work?
 

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Moundir....i musta missed something, did you sell your car already????

WTF for?

Sorry for the sidetrack....back to the post.

Sounds like a good experience both ways...too bad you didn't have the gtech dream-o-meter in there....woulda given you a little bit better comparison.
 

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Yup car is sold for a good chunk of change. I was made an offer i couldnt pass up so I took it /images/graemlins/smiles I'm trying to get in on the real estate market, and once I get my first home, I will be back with something wilder, much wilder /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif
Maybe a pc single turbo making 1900rwhp /images/graemlins/laughing.gif
 

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Moundir said:
Yup car is sold for a good chunk of change. I was made an offer i couldnt pass up so I took it /images/graemlins/smiles I'm trying to get in on the real estate market, and once I get my first home, I will be back with something wilder, much wilder /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif
Maybe a pc single turbo making 1900rwhp /images/graemlins/laughing.gif
All this brought to us by a Viperless person who talks shit from mommy and daddy's basement! Way to go asswipe! I was not going to say this to you but with a remark like this you have earned a kick in the cunt! Give me your mom's address and I will send you a t-shirt to verify you have been kicked in your cunt by PC! :rofl:

P.S. You are smarter than I gave you credit for. To sell the supercharger car to eventually get a turbo car is a pretty smart move!
 
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