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Even though I just got my GTS, I am brain storming on what direction to go when I modify it (my wife says my brain is warped).

I would ultimately like to aim towards a Roe Supercharger. I was thinking some 1.7 rockers, remove the cats, and get a pair of Belanger headers. Any recomendations on rockers?

The car currently has muffler deletes and sounds good. Is a 3" exhaust worth the money in power increase, or are the muffler deletes good enough?

Finally, since I am a newbie, am I thinking correctly and in the right direction?
 

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You are going to get many different opinions here, but here's mine. If you plan on going for Sean's SC, then definitely go with larger headers and 3" exhaust system. The N/A power increases are amplified by the SC so what may seem as a marginal HP increase before adding the SC, will be significant after the SC. Rockers = T & D. Removing the cats may get you into trouble with PA emissions. If so, go with high flow cats.

What year is your GTS? I'm going to assume that you already did did tubes and filters?

As for a right direction....hehe...you already made the right move in buying a Viper...after that I think all directions are "right". /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif
 

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no but in the meantime... /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif :burn: Especially if you have an extra diff housing. Easy swap.
 

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You are going to get many different opinions here, but here's mine. If you plan on going for Sean's SC, then definitely go with larger headers and 3" exhaust system. The N/A power increases are amplified by the SC so what may seem as a marginal HP increase before adding the SC, will be significant after the SC. Rockers = T & D. Removing the cats may get you into trouble with PA emissions. If so, go with high flow cats.

What year is your GTS? I'm going to assume that you already did did tubes and filters?

As for a right direction....hehe...you already made the right move in buying a Viper...after that I think all directions are "right". /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif
I bought Toby's 96 GTS. I was going to get the car inspected as "Emissions Exept" here in PA. Which means you put on less than either 4,000 or 5,000 miles per year. As far as the visual inspection of the cats, I have a friend that inspects my cars. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I was considering the gears. Why do you think its bad with the blower, will it eliminate top end power with the supercharger?

And yes, I have smooth tubes and filers. Which brings up another question. Is an aftermarket box (like a carbon fiber one) worth it. And what about just cone filters, do they bring in too much hot air.

On the VCA ther are a pair of Arrow roller rockers and push rods for sale. Any pro's and con's to these?

Sorry for all the questions, but you guys are the specialists here.
 

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I bought Toby's 96 GTS. I was going to get the car inspected as "Emissions Exept" here in PA. Which means you put on less than either 4,000 or 5,000 miles per year. As far as the visual inspection of the cats, I have a friend that inspects my cars. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
If you bought Toby's car then you are not allowed to remove it from your garage....except for photos! /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif That's a gorgeous car!

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I was considering the gears. Why do you think its bad with the blower, will it eliminate top end power with the supercharger?
Prior to the blower, most people find that it's the biggest bang for the buck judging from the "seat of your pants". After the SC, you will simply have too much power/wheel spin for the shorter gears. 1st gear becomes completely useless. The SC essentially shortens the gears with added HP.

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And yes, I have smooth tubes and filers. Which brings up another question. Is an aftermarket box (like a carbon fiber one) worth it. And what about just cone filters, do they bring in too much hot air.
Most will tell you that there's no actual benefit and these mods seem to be detrimental.

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On the VCA ther are a pair of Arrow roller rockers and push rods for sale. Any pro's and con's to these?
T & D's are simply the best. And you pay for the difference. Some owners say that Arrow's are much better these days...but some have caused problems. My advice would be to save for the T & D's.

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Sorry for all the questions, but you guys are the specialists here.
Shut up! /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif
 

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I think you are going the right direction. The question on what route to take depends on your budget. Personally I would go with a "supertuner" package. They make a shit load more power, and look and sound like mechanical works of art. Get the T&D's. There are countless horror stories on dropped valves with other brands. They are some more money, but the extra 5-700 you save wont be worth it in the end if something catastophic happens. They say that arrow has remedied the problem, but thats your risk. Ive got T&D's and love them. If forced induction is the final goal, get the bigger primaries on headers. I think B&B should do you fine. Dont do headers if Twin Turbo is something you are considering. 3" exhaust is worth the money especially with a forced induction application. Get a corsa, or B&B. I have the corsa, and personally prefer the sound of the newer B&B's.
 

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Thanks for all your input CitySnake and Smokin.

As far as the rockers, I have no problems spending a little more and getting quality and reliability. I am in no rush, and it will take time to generate the money to complete all these mods. I appreciate the help because I want to get good components from the start even if it costs a little more.

I have not considered twin turbos because I will be doing most of the work myself (hopefully). I have done a few superchargers on some Mopars (318 and 360s) as well as a mustang (302). So the Roe looked appealing to me and seemed to give good performance for the price and setup.

Smokin, you mentioned going with a supertuner. Are you refering to a Venom kit or something from TNT?

Toby did keep the car in excellent condition. I too will keep her very clean and not leave the garage except for nice days. /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif But when I am out on the prowl I want something a little special.

I have been leaning towards a B&B exhaust. I want something deap sounding. I'm used to flowmasters on v-8's, so the v-10's are a whole new world to me.

How hard and what all is involved in installing the rockers on a these cars? Similar to a push rod v-8?
 

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If forced induction is the final goal, get the bigger primaries on headers. I think B&B should do you fine.
Bigger than 1 3/4"?
 

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I bought Toby's 96 GTS. I was going to get the car inspected as "Emissions Exept" here in PA. Which means you put on less than either 4,000 or 5,000 miles per year. As far as the visual inspection of the cats, I have a friend that inspects my cars. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I was considering the gears. Why do you think its bad with the blower, will it eliminate top end power with the supercharger?

And yes, I have smooth tubes and filers. Which brings up another question. Is an aftermarket box (like a carbon fiber one) worth it. And what about just cone filters, do they bring in too much hot air.

On the VCA ther are a pair of Arrow roller rockers and push rods for sale. Any pro's and con's to these?

Sorry for all the questions, but you guys are the specialists here.

First off...Don't fuck up Toby's car!!! That GTS is bad ass!!! Do some cool exhaust, T&D roller rockers...don't roll the dice with Arrows...DON'T do some gaudy airbox...a nice CF airbox would be acceptable...But seriously, you bought a prestine example...please keep it that way!!!


No offense, I know it's your car now... :thumb:
 

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First off...Don't fuck up Toby's car!!! That GTS is bad ass!!! Do some cool exhaust, T&D roller rockers...don't roll the dice with Arrows...DON'T do some gaudy airbox...a nice CF airbox would be acceptable...But seriously, you bought a prestine example...please keep it that way!!!


No offense, I know it's your car now... :thumb: [/quote]

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Don't worry about that. I am super anal when it comes to my vehicles. I almost put the cover on it while I was hauling it in an enclosed trailer. I'm the type that drives for 1/2 hour and cleans it for 2 hours. The car is parked on carpet right now. I know...I'm :screwy:

I have my mind set on T&D rockers, belangers, and B&B exhuast. I don't even know if the CF airbox is worth it to me or not. I'd rather spend the $$ elsewhere. The money for the airbox can go towards the other stuff I mentioned.

The car is bad ass. I'm VERY lucky to have found one like it!
 

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No cover when you transported it?! :pissed:

That's it...YOU ARE ON DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION! /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif
 

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No cover when you transported it?! :pissed:

That's it...YOU ARE ON DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION! /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif
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I couldn't beleive how wide the car was. I had a real hard time getting out of it once it was in the trailer. We had everything is his trailer locked up in the cabinets so nothing would fall on her. Plus I kept taking a peak at it every time I stopped for gas.

Saturday night I think I just sat in the garage all night staring at it. The GTS is such a cool looking car. My neighbor has a 911 S4, and he was drooling over it too. He said it made his car look wimpy.
 

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Toby said:
No cover when you transported it?! :pissed:

That's it...YOU ARE ON DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION! /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif
:atu:

I couldn't beleive how wide the car was. I had a real hard time getting out of it once it was in the trailer. We had everything is his trailer locked up in the cabinets so nothing would fall on her. Plus I kept taking a peak at it every time I stopped for gas.

Saturday night I think I just sat in the garage all night staring at it. The GTS is such a cool looking car. My neighbor has a 911 S4, and he was drooling over it too. He said it made his car look wimpy.

A very true statement "IF IT IS NOT A VIPER, THEN IT'S WIMPY"
 

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I just put T&D Mopar rockers on my car. They are very nice and I got lucky and got them for $600. They were also easy to install. Just be carefull and make sure to get the right pushrods. You will have to measure for your pushrods and the stock ones may work.
 

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I just put T&D Mopar rockers on my car. They are very nice and I got lucky and got them for $600. They were also easy to install. Just be carefull and make sure to get the right pushrods. You will have to measure for your pushrods and the stock ones may work.
Are new pushrods a must?
 

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They are only a must if you need a different lenght. You need to get someone who knows how to put them on to do them. A good engine builder.
 

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They are only a must if you need a different lenght. You need to get someone who knows how to put them on to do them. A good engine builder.
Thanks. Anything special about putting rockers on a viper compared to other engines?
 
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