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Certainly not, I did not threaten anyone or use profanity, all I did was challenge the excessively controlling authority. Is that a ban-able offense?
 

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I'm not positive; but I believe they used some "larger" club bylaws as a basis to rewrite the VCA bylaws. I seem to recall that was how Zone Directors appeared....
 

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I think it may have been Directors at Large that was the newly added director, but whatever... Marv's post displays a very similar club structure for the Benz club, so you may be on to something.
 

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Geez, too bad they don't do a "word count" thing over there, I just wrote a novel. Oh, and if I am reading the Benz site correctly, they still have ALL of their members vote for National offices, not just an elected few:

1. There shall be elected from among the Active Members, eight Directors at Large. The Directors at Large shall be members of the National Board. Each Director at Large shall have the duties and obligations to the Club as set forth from time to time by the President and the Board.

2. The National Officers of the Club shall be the President, Vice President, Secretary, and Treasurer who must be Directors at Large.

So the members (ALL of them and not just officers) elect the DAL's in the MB club. The DAL's as part of the National Board then decide who among them shall be President, etc. I have never voted for anybody in a VCA Zone and was never asked to do so. One eager beaver asked me to nominate him as a DAL (not even near the midwest) and start a petition to get him on the ballot. And he had zero qualifications from what I could see (he wouldn't even return my calls when I was trying to become a client in his day-to-day business). But hey, now he is part of the Augusta level of country clubs. Good for him.
 

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This is dejavous. Remember when fooley was banned and there was an "uprising"? We sited reasons on why fooley shouldnt have been banned followed by raising issues of starting a "Viperalley" section. We formalized it with a formal poll, to guage interest as requested. They pulled the same gestapo bullshit so we questioned why the site isnt run by the members. The issue escalated to a thread similar to the 14 pager where it was the "suspects" (those you see here who started the site) against the VCA. For the next week bannings ensued. Then came dotcom, and now viperalley.com. This is nothing new. Its getting started over financials (which were also raised during that original discussion) but its started again none-the less. There seem to be a SMALL group who gets a clue every now and then and starts something, it just took y'all another year and a half or so to figure it out.
 

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Geez, too bad they don't do a "word count" thing over there, I just wrote a novel. Oh, and if I am reading the Benz site correctly, they still have ALL of their members vote for National offices, not just an elected few:

1. There shall be elected from among the Active Members, eight Directors at Large. The Directors at Large shall be members of the National Board. Each Director at Large shall have the duties and obligations to the Club as set forth from time to time by the President and the Board.

2. The National Officers of the Club shall be the President, Vice President, Secretary, and Treasurer who must be Directors at Large.

So the members (ALL of them and not just officers) elect the DAL's in the MB club. The DAL's as part of the National Board then decide who among them shall be President, etc. I have never voted for anybody in a VCA Zone and was never asked to do so. One eager beaver asked me to nominate him as a DAL (not even near the midwest) and start a petition to get him on the ballot. And he had zero qualifications from what I could see (he wouldn't even return my calls when I was trying to become a client in his day-to-day business). But hey, now he is part of the Augusta level of country clubs. Good for him.
You have my full and complete respect for the Caddyshack quotes on your .org post.
 

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who really cares about what kinda money they make and pay themselves? let them go about their deal and leave it. but just make a better magazing for christ sakes.....IT PLAIN SUCKS.

who in their right mind would wanna be a president or something with them? NOT ME.

Screw them, and im not even a member for crying out loud.
 

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Nothing will change - ever.

The main problem is that the folks who see what is going on are a small portion of the regular members.

What you see on the sites is not typical VCA folks. I remember trying to work out a few meetings, and most of them were dyno days, drag days, auto cross, road racing with the Cobra club, etc, etc. I would get from 2-5 responses at the very most. Then another guy offered a "scenic cruise" to somewhere and we had like 28 people say they were in.

Nothing against those guys, but I don't think most of them really care... it's more about getting together and showing off the thickness of the zaino coat than anything. And I think the existing leadership caters to that crowd, so the vocal minority will never be able to elicit change.

But I'm 100% behind your idea Slaughter, just don't think it will change because it never has before
 

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Slaughter,

good post on the VCA site. The murkiness of the inner workings of the national VCA in conjunction with the secrecy surrounding the financials is the reason i quit. By the way, i asked for the VCA financial statements to Jay Herbers and Joe Houss exactly 14 months ago. They still haven't gotten back to me.

Interesting to see the arizona prez quoting the mercedes benz clubs by-laws. They have this section in there:
Section 4. National Secretary

The Secretary shall be responsible for recording the minutes of the Board Meetings and shall deposit them with the National Business Office. The minutes shall include the time and place where such meetings were held, the names of those present and a summary of the proceedings.


I like this section. It's access to minutes and discussions that holds elected officials responsible and accountable. Something i think the national VCA is in dire need of. And for the record, i think the local clubs are doing pretty darn well, its just national that has serious issues.
 

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"1. In order to become a National Officer such as Treasurer, one must be elected by the National Board (i.e., not a vote among the "common" members of the club), and only those who are Directors at Large or Zone Directors may be elected into a National Officer position (i.e., no "common" member can be so elected). See VCA By-Laws, Article V, Section 9.
2. In order to become a Director at Large, one must be elected by zone members (though the By-Laws position description does not properly state that), and only those who are past or present Regional Officers may be elected as a Director at Large (i.e., no "common" members of the club). See VCA By-Laws, Article V, Section 7; Article VII, Section 6. In order to become a Zone Director, one must be elected by Regional Officers (i.e., not the "common" members of the zone), and it only those who are past or present Regional Officers can become Zone Directors (i.e., not the "common" members of the zone). See VCA By-Laws, Article V, Section 8; Article VII, Section 4.
3. Therefore, one must be elected as a Regional Officer, then be elected as a Director at Large or Zone Director, before becoming eligible to be a National Officer, and each stage of Director elections (though not Director at Large) and National Officer elections are controlled by a very small portion of the club's membership."

This is exactly why it wasn't a good idea to turn VA into a car club. Look at all that BS!! I'd much rather just have small self-organized GTG's than expect anyone from here to try and organize all that shit.
 

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There seem to be a SMALL group who gets a clue every now and then and starts something, it just took y'all another year and a half or so to figure it out.
Yeah, you were the first one to ever get a clue over there :rolleyes: Issues arise repeatedly there, remember my thread about who should even be able to be a member of the club, i.e., just Viper owners? Every so often though the frustration level over an issue rises enough to result in threads such as I started, I'm sure it happened before I was there, and I'm sure it'll come up again.
 

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slaughterj said:
I have posted a thread on the VCA site (link below), and would like those of you Viper owners here to peruse it and support what I'm seeking.

http://vca2.viperclub.org/forums/showfla...;o=&fpart=1
Slaughterj, just a comment in passing..... That is by far the most civilized and informative thread regarding the VCA organization that I have ever seen. I applaud you for the way you are handling it. Your points are concise with no axe grinding. Good job and good luck.
 

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Thanks, as I noted there I was trying to approach the subject in a reasonable manner, not a bunch of "rock throwing". I hope it is able to lead to something, but I suspect it will not, that it will lead to yet more ignoring of the regular members by the national board. I am trying to work with Janni to see what more I can do regionally, and maybe others will do the same, and get this situation with the VCA rectified.
 
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