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Any suggestions on digital camcorders that are good for racing clips. I've just installed my camera mount and will be posting races. Some type of digital stabilizer would be nice.
 

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Whatever you do, STAY WAY FROM SONY!

I spent about $1,200 on their IP5 and it's the biggest piece of junk. It never worked right from day one, and they blamed the problem on EVERYTHING but their unit. I even got a new laptop to try to get it working - no dice. I went through 3 Firewire cards, 2 laptops, 3 pieces of software, removing EVERYTHING from my PC and it always had a problem. After all was said and done, I called and demanded they fix it. The response? Oh, the warranty was only 6 months because you didn't register the product, so you will have to pay a flat fee of $350 to repair it. And it was *ONE WEEK* past the 6-month deadline. Actually it was WITHIN the deadline, but I bought it in March of 02, they said they did not know what DAY in March I bought it, so the warranty started from March 1st. That is BS because I bought it on the 23rd or 24th (I was at the Panoz race school, and it was a 2 day window I bought it in). They said if I sent them the ORIGINAL receipt they would cover it, but if not it would cost $350. Of course I can't find the receipt and Circuit City doesnt have a copy since that was before they started logging them and it was in Atlanta, not Boston, etc, etc. When I bitched to Sony about their tactics, they said "ok, we will cover parts if you pay labor". Guess what? Parts were $38, and labor was $312. How messed up is that? What a crock.

I am soooo fucking pissed about it. I will never buy another Sony product again. Their support just S U C K S. Look online and you will see the same trend "Sony support sucks". There are many people having the same problem with this camcorder as I have, and Sony is denying any problem and making *ME* pay for it. It's a $1,200 paperweight.

I hear great things about the JVC stuff -they are supposed to be pretty much the top when it comes to digital camcorders. And WHATEVER you do, make SURE it's MiniDV. Forget MicroMV, Hi8 or any other stuff - MiniDV, because *all* the standard software and hardware is made for MiniDV.
 

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mike,
let me get this straight...I've read the info and...I should get a sony micromv? Just kidding, thanks for the headsup. I'll be sure to not consider sony. That was valuable info in that I was considering them from the beginning.
thanks
Craig, will look at Canon too.
 

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I have a JVC GR-DVL300. It's a mini digital but it's missing a feature I need. I'll sell it for $400.

My brother has Cannon. It works just fine.

Sony has always been a top product. Mike may have gotten a lemon. Gerald DLM has a Sony that he likes.
 

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I just bought a JVC GR-DVP7U, basically the newer version of what Chuck has, and it's still missing audio-in. Other than that, it's a fantastic camera. If you don't need audio-in, Chuck's is a good deal at $400.

You couldn't GIVE me a Sony product. Find one of the really high-end stereo magazines some day (actually there are some on-line) and watch for an article where they actually disassemble consumer products and evaluate them at the component level. Sony is junk, pure and simple. 100% marketing. They're like the Corvette of the AV world.

*cough* Sorry, got sidetracked. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
 

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wow, what a slap to vette owners. LOL, won't buy a sony, don't worry. chuck, why would you need audio in? I will consider buyin that one from you, how new is it, etc. what is "wrong" with it,is it just that feature you want?
 

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If I may presume to speak for Chuck (he and I discussed this when I was looking for my camera), yes, the problem is he wants audio-in for mounting a remote mic in his car. Actually I wanted it too, but I want it less badly than Chuck, apparently. /images/graemlins/smile.gif He did warn me, but I misread the description of the AV-input feature as support for aux audio-in. It's a feature I can live without in exchange for the extremely compact size of these cameras. They're much smaller than almost anything else on the market.
 

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My Canon S50 digital camera is capable of recording for 4 minutes (audio and video) with very acceptable quality (5 frames/sec I believe). That's plenty for any drag race. If you haven't made it to the end in 4 minutes, there's a problem. /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif
 

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CAP said:
My Canon S50 digital camera is capable of recording for 4 minutes (audio and video) with very acceptable quality (5 frames/sec I believe). That's plenty for any drag race. If you haven't made it to the end in 4 minutes, there's a problem. /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif
I was thinking of the kind of drag race where you turn hard at the end of the track, then drag again... and again... /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif
 

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McGuireV10 said:
CAP said:
My Canon S50 digital camera is capable of recording for 4 minutes (audio and video) with very acceptable quality (5 frames/sec I believe). That's plenty for any drag race. If you haven't made it to the end in 4 minutes, there's a problem. /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif
I was thinking of the kind of drag race where you turn hard at the end of the track, then drag again... and again... /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif
Yeah, but even then, four minutes is a pretty long video. The ones on Chuck's site are nowhere near that long as I remember.
 

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After they're edited, yes. But a single track day could easily burn through three or four hours of tape. Just belting-in, waiting for the Playmate passenger to belt-in (this is Florida we're talking about), starting the car, then driving around and up to the starting area can eat up ten minutes of tape. Somewhere like Sebring a single lap is anywhere from 2:30 to 3:00 minutes, so if you want a selection of laps to edit down, you're often looking at close to 30 mintes of on-track tape per outing (in my opinion Pilot Sports don't like more than about 10 laps in the summer without a breather).
 

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After they're edited, yes. But a single track day could easily burn through three or four hours of tape. Just belting-in, waiting for the Playmate passenger to belt-in (this is Florida we're talking about), starting the car, then driving around and up to the starting area can eat up ten minutes of tape. Somewhere like Sebring a single lap is anywhere from 2:30 to 3:00 minutes, so if you want a selection of laps to edit down, you're often looking at close to 30 mintes of on-track tape per outing (in my opinion Pilot Sports don't like more than about 10 laps in the summer without a breather).
I'm just trying to understand here since I've never tried this myself.

1) Why are you running tape during belt-in, etc.

2) You can have the Playmate start the camera, get a lap, stop the camera, start again for another lap.......

With 1 gig memory, I'm not sure how many laps you can record, but it seems like it would be enough for me.

Am I still missing something?
 

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McGuire's videos are average length. The unedited video is long, because he takes forever to get around the track, but they get shortened up considerably once he edits out the part with me passing him - which happens frequently.
 

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You turn on the camera before you belt in because with six points you can't move enough to reach the camera. Same goes for the Playmate. You don't run road courses one lap at a time, either... (e.g. my turn-at-the-end comment was a joke, Cap).
 

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Makaha said:
chuck, why would you need audio in? I will consider buyin that one from you, how new is it, etc. what is "wrong" with it,is it just that feature you want?
Jon is correct, I want to place the mic at various places around the car. But I also have a remote lens that requires AV-in. Other than that I'm happy with JVC. $400 + shipping. It's a fair price. About two years old. Comes with everything you need to video. You'll need software and firewire to edit. I use SonicFoundry's Video Factory. Cost less than $100 and was the easiest and most plug n play software/hardware I've ever used.
 

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I bought a Sony TRV-22 miniDV a few months back and am thrilled with it. Gerald DLM has the same one. I was gonna buy a Canon, but I read around 50 online reviews of Camcorders and not many had anything good to say about the Canons. A lot of them said they took the Canon back and bought a Sony. This is from actual owners. The one thing that made me get the Sony is that a lot of them said the Canons took terrible pictures indoors because of the size of the ccd or something. Said the picture quality was a bad as VHS, but outside it was great. I did an exhaustive search of peoples reviews and it really made me buy the Sony instead of the Canon I originally was leaning towards. Alos, I was gonna buy a Canon just for the 20X zoom I think the one had, but you can buy zoom and wide angle lenses for camcorders, which I did for my Sony and now this thing is the shit. Got a .45 X wide angle and 2X zoom off E-bay and they kick ass.
 

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Chuck 98 RT10 said:
Makaha said:
chuck, why would you need audio in? I will consider buyin that one from you, how new is it, etc. what is "wrong" with it,is it just that feature you want?
Jon is correct, I want to place the mic at various places around the car. But I also have a remote lens that requires AV-in. Other than that I'm happy with JVC. $400 + shipping. It's a fair price. About two years old. Comes with everything you need to video. You'll need software and firewire to edit. I use SonicFoundry's Video Factory. Cost less than $100 and was the easiest and most plug n play software/hardware I've ever used.
Nothing personal, but a search on completed items in Ebay for the JVC GR-DVL300 looked like the highest prices people were getting for em was $250 (that was using buy it now feature).
 

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Well, I paid $700+ for it 2 years ago. I'm not giving it away for $250.

Mak, contact Roadkill, he can point you to one cheaper than what I'm willing to part with mine.
 

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Chuck 98 RT10 said:
Well, I paid $700+ for it 2 years ago. I'm not giving it away for $250.

Mak, contact Roadkill, he can point you to one cheaper than what I'm willing to part with mine.
Best Suggestion I can make is to watch Ebay, find several camera models you are interested in and when the price is right buy.. The sad thing with most newer electronic technology is that it gets outdated so fast.. There are cameras that sold for $1500 two years ago that have a hard time fetching 300-400. You can usually even find new model cameras on Ebay for a couple hundred off the retail amount. Make sure the seller has reputable feedback though before bidding, and if not, then make sure you can get the camera COD or such.
My 2 cents.
 
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