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Nothing like a good stir.
Norm is the only one onto it.
FACT: The only reason Vipers are not cutting mid 8's or better (while remaining street legal with some quick changes) is that nobody (who wants to) BOTH thinks they can AND knows what to do to run the numbers.
ouch - but face it - the 9's were like this big bogey man now Norm has done it with only what - 700 something rwhp? And the 1000rwhp cars aren't able to use their extra power where it counts. That is not because it can't be done
So people have to start thinking outside the square now - THEN we'll see some big drops in ET to 8.5's and under (no spray needed).
Now if that is not a challenge - flame away and be wrong :thumb:
Someone will step up. It might take a while - but it will happen - in a Viper, and retaining IRS. It might not be stock IRS, but it will be IRS. And the Viper will NOT need spray to run a low 8....
There are a few TT Vipers right now that will run mid 8's with a trick auto and a solid rear if they had the right setup.
Tony - the suspension is STOCK on that Firehawk, the trans was an auto with a good converter.
To run a 6 speed to this time on a true street car would require a Holinger sequential - something no one here has yet for drag racing. However plenty overseas have. A couple of Viper Road Race teams here run them, other than that - you are stuck with a Liberty or Lenco (NOT Street friendly at all though can be done). I mention this because everyone thinks an auto is the only way - NO it is simply the cheapest way. A good box like the Holinger is quicker than an auto, your T-56 would NOT be.
There's a couple of cars that can have a crack at this - you are going to need around 1300rwhp because the IRS will waste a lot. I know of 2 Vipers that will make or exceed this power level at will. Neither of which have run yet.
You'll need an expert to go through the drivetrain and to setup the suspension. You'll need to run taller tires - and you'll need a chute and wheelie bars to use this kind of power.... in other words - the car will require some minor but permanent work... Viper brakes will pull up 170mph on most tracks - but it will be illegal, and boy you won't want to be slow getting on them, ...and you'll want good pads. A chute will be looking real good right about the time you hit 170 and you see the end coming up at you.
Here is the Pontiac that will beat any V10 powered street Viper that has so far run
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232626 Kurt who built the engine is known as 427. I've seen the full build up of that engine and it IS NOT top shelf, it was built to a modest budget. Trust me - Kurt can build a LOT more power than that given the budget to run the top stuff. The car owner is TwnTrboCE on this forum, and he built it all to a budget.
and here is why you'll want wheelie bars when you match the power per weight of the factory truck block small block Chev.
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232626&page=2&pp=20 look for the signature pic under Y2KHawk and click on that wheelie. Wait to see the 4th run of the day on that clip... :nod: it wheelies at the start, then again when it comes down and he replants it /images/graemlins/laughing.gif
The point is not that the Chev and Ford small blocks can beat the Viper for less money - that's childish. The point is that the Viper can cut these times. The Viper world just has a long way to go - so I'm stiring the pot so people stop dicking around with the 9's and get serious.
Call me whatever name you want - mid 9's is great for an alrounder car with IRS and that can still get respect around Walmart cones - but mid 8's and lower can be done without having a single purpose car... there will be compromises - but what do you expect? Compromise does not need to mean the car has less capabilities than stock.
There are two ways to do it and retain the nature of the Viper - an easy way and a hard way. The easy way will create a Viper that will probably not be as quick around a road circuit anymore, and would require someone with mechanical knowledge to set the car up for the track or the street.
The hard way will be more user friendly in swapping between different uses and retain road handling capabilities as good or better than stock - BUT will cost into 6 figures. If that scares you - you ain't in this ballgame - period.
The fact is the Viper will cost but it can be done. They're coming your way soon.
The cheapest option of all is to create a street/strip Viper - like Sir Hiss but with a V10... that would be the easiest and cheapest of all - but the car is never going to see a road course - it is for straight line and cruising only.
it is going to get exciting around here soon :thumb: