I am posting this here to bring something to light from another thread that really has nothing to do with that thread; There has been somebody who has been belittling me this other thread about:
a. whether or not I hit 200 MPH in the standing mile (with 3.5 more PSI and 60 degrees cooler ambient temperature) compared to the documented 191.8 MPH I hit in Nebraska almost 9 PSI in 90 degrees ambient temperature.
b. whether or not it even counts on a public road because there is no "Documentation" even though I achieved the same thing with a passenger in the car a few weeks preceeding the video.
He brings up some valid points here and there, but I really think the ultimate goal of this individual is to undermine my accomplishments in realtion to his own achieved with somebody elses money and car instead of his own. He does not even own a Viper.
He does not seem to understand that a regular guy does not necessarily have access to do some of the cool things his high dollar backing has afforded him to do.
Here are some quotes:
"Unsanctioned performance competition style events like private testing down a highway mean nothing.
If a guy goes to a 1/4 mile event, standing mile event etc. etc and doesn't get the results he hoped for and then proceeds to go out and perform his own personal tests and then claims he achieved levels that he couldn't at a sanctioned event........Uh........something is missing here, like maybe the proven results.
Getting results and going back and PROVING verified claims at a sanctioned event is the only way to disperse previous losses. I'm not saying that it can't be accomplished, but when it actually is accomplished that is the time for proven promoting.
I just don't want to see ya set yourself up like you did with all the talk about what you were going to do to everybody with your SC set-up and then NONE of it came to reality. Just trying to help out a Viper brother!
As far as our ...... and reading a book and acting like you have already accomplished it?
Internet: I can be anybody that can accomplish anything.
Real world: Need to back it up and prove it!"
==>I think there is some bitter resentment in this person and some not too cool insinuations that are way off base.
Here is a person who was a passenger in my car who SAW the speedo as we hit 200 in the standing mile:
FACT- a couple of nights prior to the SA event last December Paolo and I went out in his car and marked off a 1 mile stretch. We then proceeded to cover that mile in 24 seconds and speed was a touch over 200 mph. I know we hit 200 then the mile marker. The car was hauling ass and those are the facts. It was cold and the car surprisingly hooked well enought to achieve those numbers. Was it at an event.....no. However, there is a big difference between 191 and 200+++ in a 1 mile stretch and that night the car hit 200+ easily. I might still have the shit stains to prove it j/k.
What good is owning these toys if one can't act like a brat in front of everyone else.
Here is a quote of this individual trying to minimize the accomplishment:
"Were you using GPS? or the speedo?
So you measured 5280ft? How did you mark it off? Did you use the odometer?
And your eyes were the determining factor for the finish line?
I know what is going on at 200 mph and there's not alot of time to determine exactness by relying on your eyeballs
If it was at night even worse.
Many times I have stood on the side of roadcourses and taken lap times with a stopwatch. When the drivers came in sometimes I was up to .5 to 1 sec off their laser beam triggered laptimers. That was with maximum speeds of only 160 mph.
1 second is tremendous on a roadcourse, could be the difference between 1st and 10th in some series.
I didn't put my original post on this thread because I'm trying to stop somebodies fun. I did it because there's a huge difference between fun and staking a claim. Especially when you put others in a lower position than you while acting like you staked a claim. Also because timing and scoring equipment to measure speed, time, etc. etc. is expensive and it gives more realistic results than your eyeballs determining outcomes.
I remember being in Nebraska and John from WCV saying that they measured off a mile the night before and using GPS they achieved 206 or 209... something like that. The next day was a different story.
Thinking that I'm Jealous of whatever somebody is trying to accomplish or build in this situation is absurd.
If I was, I would be the one acting like everybody else is beneath me because of the achievements I have attained? And that if anyone else has done better I'm going to go after them with a vengence! I can't even think like that. "You just all shut up and come back and talk to me when youv'e done what I've done" Sounds like FN kindergarden.
I don't know......maybe I acted like that when I ate fudgy bars and PBJ for lunch."
==>Here is the subliminal response them answering their own questions and trying to look like they're NOT being what they ARE.
"If I was, I would be the one acting like everybody else is beneath me because of the achievements I have attained?"
==>Yes, I think you are!
Here is the guy who hit the 200 MPH with me explaining some logical things:
GPS was our best option, as well as video. I don't know if you personally have much knowledge with forced induction, but there are a few BASIC principles that apply to these cars as well as all cars in general. If one compares the 2 runs (NE vs Chicago), there are some major differences. Differences that can change results dramatically. 1- the ambient air was nearly 60 degrees cooler resulting in a much lower intake charge. 2- the elevation was lower when combined with the temp and bp results in much more favorable hp conditions. 3- the car was making significantly more boost. With just these 3 variables in place it is easy to see how the 8+ mph was achieved. No conspiracy, just Common Sense. Once you understand how rapidly conditions change and how they can and do affect a cars performance, the numbers will make sense to you. Whether we were running PC's car or my bucket or we could have even had Oprah's sled out that night, all 3 would have performed much better in those conditions compared to NE. Hope that helps.
==>Here is this individual's response:
"I remember coming back from the Xxxx Xxxxx and putting up a post about achieving xxxmph. Then.....John Hennessey came on the post and challenged the claim I was making. The only thing that backed up what I was claiming was the PROVEN slip that stated what was achieved. In a sense those seem to be the rules when staking a claim in the world of high performance. The same with showing dyno sheets, 1/4 mile timeslips etc. etc. If you don't you open up pandora's box and anybody can say anything about what they think they achieved. Even worse is the fact that somebody can question the validity of the claim and call insubstantial evidence all day long......like this:
It is interesting how you base the added 8 mph to the best time that was achieved in Nebraska, but you seem to forget that there was other runs that must be factored into your equation. The runs in order went something like:
186 - 191 - 172. Why do you factor in the best run? Even if you got better at practicing, how do you know it really happened? Better yet how do we really know it happened? Maybe it was only 197 if you set up the exact 5280 ft, with timing and scoring like it was in Nebraska. Maybe you were off by 100 ft. Your scenario raises absolutely too many variables.
That's why there's photo finishes in competition, the horse that you think may have had his nose out front necessarily may not have.
I understand very well about the better conditions you speak of, but you also stated it yourself that there are "Differences that can change the results dramatically" and you can't just use those in your favor!!!!!!!! There are also differences that can change the results dramatically AGAINST YOU. Did you factor those in?
I'm not sure if you personally know much about automobile competition and PROVEN results? I have seen many people over the years stake performance style claims and get called on it, including myself, many times. It is very sweet when you have the backup to prove it, because you slam the door on a post like this.
Nobody gets out alive, no matter how hard you want to pretend. There are no free claims, especially in the game of high performance competition. Unless your planning on becoming a Bullshit artist.
I just went out for lunch on my rocket propelled skateboard and went 250mph in the standing 1/2 mile. I don't have to prove it.
==> Integrity? That sure is a funny word for some people to use.......
Is it me, or is this guy downgrading what I have done and putting his own spin on what really counts?
I do understand the whole documentation thing. I accept that, but do have a personal witness and video to back it up.
Also remember the fastest stock Viper only went around 156-158 MPH in Nebraska as compared to as fast as 168 MPH to 173.1 MPH in the magazines at lower elevations.
With 60 degrees cooler ambient temperatures, very little humidity, and about 3.5 more PSI, 8 MPH was definitely attained.
In a nutshell, he is saying I did not go that fast, nor does it count.
What do you all here think?