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How noticeable is a viper without abs. I ask because I've considered a pre 01 and I've never driven a car without ABS.
 

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I haven't had a panic yet...in fact the only time I've used the ABS is when I intentionally broke so hard such that they were activated (I wanted to be sure I had the damn things you know?). Other than that?
 

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If you ever plan on doing some raod racing in the Viper you will definetly benefit from ABS. Also you just never know when you might need them. Just good insurance for this car. The non ABS cars can be made to stop without a doubt, but the ABS just gives you more control on and off the track.
 

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what are you going to whine about next, lack of traction control? sack up and be a man you damn wussy..

just kidding.. for what its worth i have never heard of any viper related incident caused by lack of ABS.. between the stock brakes and the steamroller sized tires, the car stops pretty well.. although the ole "but you've got ABS" excuse is common place at the track..

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So, when i take it mud riding, it'll be better? Alright! /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif
 

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I've heard some top race drivers claim they could stop quicker without ABS - but to be honest I'm not convinced... if they can the ABS is either an old tech unit or these drivers have a feel that borders on supernatural.

While you can feel brakes locking to some extent on soft street rubber - on harder or older rubber - you risk finding out the wheels locked by suddenly finding yourself looking out the side window while still going forward!

Been there, done that - no feeling/warning at all - just was braking then going sideways in a nano-second... opp. lock would have been a month too late...

went backwards off the track at 100mph - not a good feeling... fortunately it had rained hard the night before and I came to rest in a lake of water and mud.... nothing damaged except ego /images/graemlins/freak3.gif

Unless you can get a few thousand miles of track time under you - go for ABS if you plan on pushing it hard. If not - you'll be fine without it provided you don't panic.
 

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torque, thanks. That was the information I needed.
 

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Torquemonster said:
I've heard some top race drivers claim they could stop quicker without ABS - but to be honest I'm not convinced... if they can the ABS is either an old tech unit or these drivers have a feel that borders on supernatural.

Non-ABS cars stop faster in dry conditions. Car and Driver or one of the auto-magazines did an article on this subject a while back. Been a while, can't remember all the details. I can remember them doing a lot of breaking comparisons with/without ABS in different weather and surface conditions.

Personally, I would prefer to have ABS, for Panic stopping or for any other surface irregularities I may encounter while screwing around. ABS has saved me from ending up in a ditch or cornfield numberous times. Fortunately, I have not had any moments in the Viper yet.
 

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On the track, ABS is a huge advantage. Plain and simple your body cannot replicate what ABS does. I've flat-spotted too many tires at the track and everytime I lock em up one thought goes through my head.... ABS Wish I had it on my 97.
 

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Chuck 98 RT10 said:
I've flatspotted many a tire also 'Sled, but it's made me a better driver, both on the track and on the street. To each their own.
Change "many a tire" to "all my tires". /images/graemlins/supergrin.gif
 

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The ABS allows you to go in way deeper into a corner and still be able to turn should you misjudge. It allows for a panic stop on the street.

Even if you don't actuate the ABS on the track (and lots of folks DON'T) it's still a MUCH better braking system becasue of the dynamic proportioning that comes with it. The rear wheels will actually DO SOMETHING to help you stop. The car stays tons flatter during braking, too. All this equates to a huge advantage on the track. You can still threshold brake with ABS - and most good drivers do, but they use the ABS to their advantage in situations where non-ABS cars would have locked up.

The ABS guys also get to drive around on tires that are round instead of stop sign shaped.

IMO - a non-ABS car is a huge step backward for you. You'll feel it in everyday driving.
 

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Yeah, but here is the REAL question I have been struggleing with. Is it worth the $7,500.00 pricetag for the Archer conversion? This would end up being a $14k conversion for me as I would put a quaife in and upgraded halfshafts at the same time.

What do you think? Upgrade my 2000 or sell it and but an 02?
 
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