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Old September 7th, 2013, 09:33 PM   #1521
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Look it - a logical explanation is gonna tank a perfectly good lawsuit. Stop it.
So the name on the vca renewal payment was different than the name on tee raffle ticket purchase made minutes apart?

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Look it - a logical explanation is gonna tank a perfectly good lawsuit. Stop it.
That's true (and it's true people are very quick to cry "burn them!" lately), BUT, isn't one of the laws of a raffle that tickets must be delivered prior to the drawing?

It's all very well to have a "legit" drawing, but if people don't get their tickets, what assurance do they have that they were in fact entered in the drawing?

Tony is quick to get angry, but it's still the VCA's fault, isn't it? Not only for holding an (apparently) illegal raffle, but also not conforming to standard laws that apply to raffles to prevent exactly this type of thing.
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Yes MTGTS, when you renew, name and address information is retrieved from the database of what we already have since the only thing we require is the CC number.

When raffle tickets were purchased, we made them enter their full info.

The VCA database has him listed as one name at one address, while he entered a different name and different address for the raffle. Due to privacy issues (yes, I take them serious) I will not post the exact info of names/addresses.
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I agree with you Janni. Instead of going after the club, I would be more interested in seeing specific individuals have to answer. Here's my worthless .02 cents on it.
People are tired of waiting. They (we) all want this shit done already. Lee, Dan, Chris, Mary, and the 2 idiots that wrote letters attempting to fuck Ralph over need to be gone, with no ties left to anything VCA or VPoA related. No magazine, no VOI, nothing The sooner they are gone, and elections started to replace the National Officers and BoD, the better.

As someone else said, everything VPA needs to be accounted for and put under lock and key.

People then would see some movement and might feel like positive steps have been taken to address the problems. "We are working on it" statements are not going to cut it anymore. These fucks have been lying to members with such arrogance, and laughing their asses off while doing so, that (I'm speaking for myself here) it's time to see people go down, and go down hard.

Now, none of what I just said is directed against you. We all saw what happened when you (and your running mates) stepped up to run for National Office. Hopefully, y'all can save it, and repair the damage done the club, it's members, and SRT.

btw,I would be interested in seeing where all of the ORECA parts that were given to VPA have ended up. A bad rumor has it that a lot of those parts were given to various cronies as "gifts". That stuff for sure has historic worth.
Great minds must think alike. lol
I just posted a shorter, more censored version of this to Randall on the VCA forums.
Plan, replace and move forward as quickly as possible, but cut ties, ban, prosecute all of the names above RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!! And none of the bullshit that Maurice sent out (I still can't believe he signed his name to that) with some easy-off, complete BS about thanking Lee and how his job is going to require are lot of work so he's stepping down. That honestly pissed me off more than I ever thought I could be pissed off about Lee being gone. It should have said, "Lee has been removed, effective immediately, and will no longer be allowed to have ANY contact or affiliation with ANYTHING even related to the VCA or VPA".
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The VCA database has him listed as one name at one address, while he entered a different name and different address for the raffle. Due to privacy issues (yes, I take them serious) I will not post the exact info of names/addresses.
Understandable, glad you figured it out although I don't think Badvenom is still very happy with how things are being handled.
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Yes MTGTS, when you renew, name and address information is retrieved from the database of what we already have since the only thing we require is the CC number.

When raffle tickets were purchased, we made them enter their full info.

The VCA database has him listed as one name at one address, while he entered a different name and different address for the raffle. Due to privacy issues (yes, I take them serious) I will not post the exact info of names/addresses.
Finally, we have an initial insight into how the conspiracy to screw over Tony was undertaken. The next thing is to find out exactly who pocketed the money.
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Old September 8th, 2013, 10:14 AM   #1528
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I agree with you Janni. Instead of going after the club, I would be more interested in seeing specific individuals have to answer. Here's my worthless .02 cents on it.
People are tired of waiting. They (we) all want this shit done already. Lee, Dan, Chris, Mary, and the 2 idiots that wrote letters attempting to fuck Ralph over need to be gone, with no ties left to anything VCA or VPoA related. No magazine, no VOI, nothing The sooner they are gone, and elections started to replace the National Officers and BoD, the better.

As someone else said, everything VPA needs to be accounted for and put under lock and key.

People then would see some movement and might feel like positive steps have been taken to address the problems. "We are working on it" statements are not going to cut it anymore. These fucks have been lying to members with such arrogance, and laughing their asses off while doing so, that (I'm speaking for myself here) it's time to see people go down, and go down hard.

Now, none of what I just said is directed against you. We all saw what happened when you (and your running mates) stepped up to run for National Office. Hopefully, y'all can save it, and repair the damage done the club, it's members, and SRT.

btw,I would be interested in seeing where all of the ORECA parts that were given to VPA have ended up. A bad rumor has it that a lot of those parts were given to various cronies as "gifts". That stuff for sure has historic worth.
Thanks for getting this back on track.
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I agree with you Janni. Instead of going after the club, I would be more interested in seeing specific individuals have to answer. Here's my worthless .02 cents on it.
People are tired of waiting. They (we) all want this shit done already. Lee, Dan, Chris, Mary, and the 2 idiots that wrote letters attempting to fuck Ralph over need to be gone, with no ties left to anything VCA or VPoA related. No magazine, no VOI, nothing The sooner they are gone, and elections started to replace the National Officers and BoD, the better.

As someone else said, everything VPA needs to be accounted for and put under lock and key.

People then would see some movement and might feel like positive steps have been taken to address the problems. "We are working on it" statements are not going to cut it anymore. These fucks have been lying to members with such arrogance, and laughing their asses off while doing so, that (I'm speaking for myself here) it's time to see people go down, and go down hard.

Now, none of what I just said is directed against you. We all saw what happened when you (and your running mates) stepped up to run for National Office. Hopefully, y'all can save it, and repair the damage done the club, it's members, and SRT.

btw,I would be interested in seeing where all of the ORECA parts that were given to VPA have ended up. A bad rumor has it that a lot of those parts were given to various cronies as "gifts". That stuff for sure has historic worth.
100% agree with you regarding the ORECA parts and all parts for that matter. Anytime there is anything "fishy" in an organization that deals with parts, an inventory count from an outside source needs to be done immediately.

Here is the part that nobody has brought up yet. Do you honestly think that there aren't some Chrysler employees involved in the VPA, CM, Lee situation we are dealing with?
What large corporation sells and or gives parts and equipment away without inventory lists, invoices, etc? Why and how is Herb Helbig (the Grailkeeper) involved in this and why was the VCA then and now the VPA paying him?? There probably is a reason that Chrysler hasn't hit them harder and sooner. If this goes further, a major embarrassment to Chrysler might come up. And the way big organizations often work, the guy in power today who knows his "old" co-worker that may have made some "mistakes" is often asked to help a old friend out and cover it up or make it go away. That happens a lot....it only becomes an issue if it comes to a head. Now that new guy in power is just as guilty as his "old" co-worker and often tries to save his bacon.

Chrysler would probably prefer this to just fade away quickly with no investigation because what could be brought up would be very ugly. Think about a company going bankrupt, getting government bailout money and yet management is giving away stuff for personal gain that really is owned by the US Government. It takes two to make a deal.....

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2012 Michigan Annual Report
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2010 Annual Report
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2011 Annual Report - Kansas
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Seems like they all went POOF to me

hope you made copies...
From what I saw, they are still up but the thread was in the "Sneaky Pete's Place" forum, not where all the other VCA vs BOD discussion is at.

Kudo's to the mods for leaving it up.

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Old September 9th, 2013, 07:27 AM   #1532
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By placing there it limits how much news gets seen. I can't access it so anyone without correct permissions can't as well. Publicity helps push the envelope at times.

After discussion, VA moved it to a thread that is open to all without an account.

Personally I want this brought to a conclusion that benefits the members. They are the ones getting half-shafted by not being able to 'see' what is going on in a car club.
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From what I saw, they are still up but the thread was in the "Sneaky Pete's Place" forum, not where all the other VCA vs BOD discussion is at.

Kudo's to the mods for leaving it up.

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Still no resignation letter from Lee, is anything actually changing? Doubtful
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Still no freedom for JonB. Anyone have a link to an anonymous posting of the BOD recording where Stubby sounded drunk? This has been given a reasonable time, with no result.

And Stubby hasn't really stepped down yet.

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Still no freedom for JonB. Anyone have a link to an anonymous posting of the BOD recording where Stubby sounded drunk? This has been given a reasonable time, with no result.
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19 days since the Letter of Doom was publicized and the only action was freeing up the moderation at the VCA, which they had to do or all their members would have to get their info here.. Everyone still in power, and Jon B still suspended. After how many conference calls?


Just wait. Be patient. these things take time. Translation: Maybe it will blow over. Maybe we can just make Stubby the scape goat and I keep my position, and I'm one spot closer to president. Maybe I can get a real job before my family gets kicked off the gravy train.
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It is just hard to believe that the stone-walling continues! How about a follow up from Maurice? Will anyone ever be able to rely on anything said by those clowns as truthful? This total silence is effectively just saying GFY. They are still in control and it looks like they might be trying to ride this out. The pertinent threads are getting less and less attention. Those Board members that have recently found religion need to force some issues into the open. This could end up be a once in a viper time opportunity that gets lost in the shuffle.
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19 days since the Letter of Doom was publicized and the only action was freeing up the moderation at the VCA, which they had to do or all their members would have to get their info here.. Everyone still in power, and Jon B still suspended. After how many conference calls?


Just wait. Be patient. these things take time. Translation: Maybe it will blow over. Maybe we can just make Stubby the scape goat and I keep my position, and I'm one spot closer to president. Maybe I can get a real job before my family gets kicked off the gravy train.
If this was a profit corp the POS would have been gone. Someone should notify the IRS labeling the VCA as a nonprofit tea party organization. Regardless nothing has change therefore VCA will fail to exist in 2 years just like the Viper.
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