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Old September 3rd, 2013, 12:03 PM   #1361
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I would guess that one of the obstacles to overcome is firing yourself.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 12:16 PM   #1362
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On VCA: Motor City Viper club board unanimously voted to split from the club. The silence thing is not working. Stubby has allegedly lawyered up and wants to go down with the ship. sun diego has suggested that if he doesn't quit in a week, someone with access to the "sounded intoxicated" tape post it on an anonymous bit current.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 12:19 PM   #1363
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I would guess that one of the obstacles to overcome is firing yourself.
Good point. It does, however, only take 8 directors (a simple majority of the votes cast) to suspend the other 7. Kind of reminds me of that old joke - what do you call 1000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean - answer - a good start. But to remove one from the Board without suspending them takes 2/3 or 10 votes.

Of course the more that are removed or suspended the lower the number of votes needed to fire the rest. Suspend Lee and Dan then it only takes 9 to remove someone else from the Board. Then remove 1 more and you only need 8 votes. I wonder how many iterations it would take to end up with only the few good guys on the Board....
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Lawyer up what a pussy its a fucking non profit club. Who cares I was a memeber and don't need it to enjoy my car. A local hunting club non profit went down just like this 5 years ago. The moral of the story is it went down faster than the Titanic after two head people got lawyers. I do wonder though if the VCA is paying for Lee's lawyer under office supplies.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 01:10 PM   #1365
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Lawyer up what a pussy its a fucking non profit club. Who cares I was a memeber and don't need it to enjoy my car. A local hunting club non profit went down just like this 5 years ago. The moral of the story is it went down faster than the Titanic after two head people got lawyers. I do wonder though if the VCA is paying for Lee's lawyer under office supplies.
I thought I read somewhere that Board members get free attorney (paid by VCA) as a perk for serving. If that's true I am sure he is covered.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 01:40 PM   #1367
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Directors and Officers of most not for profits are covered under Errors and Omissions insurance and indemnified is, in the course of their duties, they are sued. VCA also has counsel that is (?) / was a volunteer and a former BoD member, Bill Corum. Also, Bob Carroll has provided legal guidance, but not acting as a VCA attorney, I don't believe.

People that serve on not for profits should be indemnified against lawsuits - but that should not give them carte blanche on having an attorney "on staff" for bullshit / poor conduct / breach of duty, etc.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 01:54 PM   #1368
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I don't believe it allows them to launch lawsuits.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 02:18 PM   #1369
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I don't believe it allows them to launch lawsuits.
It certainly should not - and our insurance did not when I ran a nonprofit.

Again - it was protection being being sued - i.e if you were a defendant - not allow you to be a plaintiff!
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Directors and Officers of most not for profits are covered under Errors and Omissions insurance and indemnified is, in the course of their duties, they are sued. VCA also has counsel that is (?) / was a volunteer and a former BoD member, Bill Corum. Also, Bob Carroll has provided legal guidance, but not acting as a VCA attorney, I don't believe.

People that serve on not for profits should be indemnified against lawsuits - but that should not give them carte blanche on having an attorney "on staff" for bullshit / poor conduct / breach of duty, etc.
I don't believe Error and Omission insurance would cover what these creeps have done. I think the are on their own. There certainly were some willfull acts that would fall outside the E & O provisions. I know this insurance is pretty comprehensive but wow....these guys are thieves.

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probably not even necessary.

This does appear to be the smoking gun that had been lacking and that the "leaders" had been denying for quite a long time now.

I've pretty much never seen this strongly worded letter coming out of a company this large - and it's VERY damning.

IMO anyone mentioned in this letter has ZERO credibility with Chrysler at this point and should not be afforded any niceties from anyone in the VCA considering how dishonest they have been.
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It appears that there is substantial evidence of self-dealing and double-dipping. The car club should not be a "for-profit" business at the expense of the enthusiast members. Go Viper Alley!
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I don't believe Error and Omission insurance would cover what these creeps have done. I think the are on their own. There certainly were some willfull acts that would fall outside the E & O provisions. I know this insurance is pretty comprehensive but wow....these guys are thieves.
Insurance companies are notorious for figuring out ways to not cover claims. If there is anything in the terms and conditions that the VCA did that was incorrect, good luck on getting them to cover legal fees. Some of the obvious things the insurance company underwriters should be aware of are the validity of the non profit, possible IRS filing fraud issues and possibly running illegal gaming raffles.

If somebody was to sue the VCA right now, they would probably have to fold and go away.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 03:39 PM   #1373
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These threads will do nothing but help the VCA's insurance company's exclusions.
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On VCA: Motor City Viper club board unanimously voted to split from the club. The silence thing is not working. Stubby has allegedly lawyered up and wants to go down with the ship. sun diego has suggested that if he doesn't quit in a week, someone with access to the "sounded intoxicated" tape post it on an anonymous bit current.
So who will be next to secede from the Union?
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I heard there is also a Texas club that voted to withdraw from the club. May just be rumor though.
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I don't believe it allows them to launch lawsuits.
Someone post the call then....
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Might be time to do that if anyone has it. I've heard that the behavior of some of the leaders was deplorable enough that it SHOULD be shared.

EVERYTHING should see the light of day.
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First off the insurance is called D&O for Directors and Officers insurance. It is not Errors and Omissions. Second it cover them for liability, including legal fees, for actions taken or not taken by the Board. However, if the Director or Officer committed a crime it would not protect them from prosecution.
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So lets all just face reality here. Nothing is going to change, they let things go quiet and they will just try and let all of this blow over, which will happen unless things get stirred up again.
You didn't really believe this "phony scandal" had any legs did you??



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