All the noise on the raffle, happening or not happening and people asking for communication and not a single yes it is still on schedule, nada, zip.
Then all of a sudden a notification from Lee that the raffle is over? WOW
That may have been the last hurrah, crooked raffle winner to pay people to run off into the sunset or something. How the hell could that have taken place in secrecy given all the noise?
And can someone explain why is Lee even around? He is fighting being removed by the BOD?
Is the VCA a publically traded company or a car forum/club? Good god.
It seems the raffle did end up happening. Lee communicated it to the membership. And it's been, what, a week since the letter and no word, other than "lots of stuff is going on".
Can nobody fill us in on what exactly is going on? PM me if it can't be public, I am curious.
Seems to me that some of the "unanimous" board members are trying to say they had nothing to do with this mess and probably owe an explanation.
The balls of that letter are incredible. As I said on the VCA forum, lose the one thing you have that makes Viper club different (manufacturer support) and you have nothing.
Is the member mentioned in the letter JonB? If so can someone give the cliff notes on why he was removed to protect the VCA and its members?
As a new 1 week owner I am stunned - this is a car forum and car club. Holy cow what a mess of drama and scandal.
The letter writer should be the first person removed. Doesn't seem like even he was authorized to speak for the club and even more interesting that the guys running the show got someone else to send the letter.
Yes, some of the Board members WERE excluded. Marv refused to allow Jim Johnson to attend the meeting or to vote. He said the paperwork that Jim submitted to run for a Director position was not received or out of order. What bullshit. Same for some others from what I hear. So yes the only ones that voted to ban JonB were Chris Marshall's cronies. Disgusting business!
Yes, some of the Board members WERE excluded. Marv refused to allow Jim Johnson to attend the meeting or to vote. He said the paperwork that Jim submitted to run for a Director position was not received or out of order. What bullshit. Same for some others from what I hear. So yes the only ones that voted to ban JonB were Chris Marshall's cronies. Disgusting business!
The entire letter is a lie then and disgusting.
I don't get why the entire VCA club based on that letter alone doesn't want everyone to step down and in the case of those involved in the crap I read in all these threads ban those people for life, shut down VPA, do a full public results audit and let the VCA membership decide whether to spend the clubs membership money to sue for restitution or not and/or criminal charges.
I don't get how or why these people are even still in a seat. A new board should be sending a letter, one that says these people are no longer associated in any shape or form with VCA and the assets of VPA that are owned by VCA have been seized until further notice.
The stink runs deep here. I can't wait to see how the drama plays out.
Don't lose sight of the prize!! The raffle was only a slight diversion from the original premise of this thread. If Lee attempts to take any credit for salvaging the raffle it won't fly. He's the one that f'd it up in the first place. Where has Randall been? His balancing act can't last forever.
The VCA will, of course, be entirely honest about everything that has occurred here. However, the truth will not be positive for the perception of the vast majority of the VCA's thousands of members.
I find these 2 sentences to be both totally true and totally untrue. Sentence one is total BS, they won't tell the truth about anything. Sentence 2 I totally agree with, if the members find out the truth about the VCA BOD it will not be positive.
honestly, the arrogance is mind boggling. WHO writes to the Chairman of FIAT about a car club issue? And who does it while bad mouthing the head of SRT?
And it appears obvious he's speaking for the club - WHO gave him that permission? Certainly, as a BoD member - he had some authority- but WHY wasn't he suspended under the oft quoted "JonB rule"?
I was at VMworld this week talking with the BOD for the VMware users group. Thinking of this scandal I asked him if they get paid. He said "Heck No", we do this because we love technology. It is a pain in our butt and takes a ton of time, but we are professionals and we want to have a well run club. I even tried to volunteer to help out in my local community.
Now the VMware users group only has 80,000 members and chapters in just about every city in the world.
They don't get paid, they do it for love of the game. I think we have really lost that here. Once money gets involved you get corruption.
This has gone from being a car club that we all joined for love of the cars to being a highly paid job for some people, sucking off the membership dues of others. To me that is very offensive.
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I find these 2 sentences to be both totally true and totally untrue. Sentence one is total BS, they won't tell the truth about anything. Sentence 2 I totally agree with, if the members find out the truth about the VCA BOD it will not be positive.
Link this thread https://twitter.com/driveSRT and the others at Auto Blog & Jalopnik if you tweet. ( So far I have been able to live without tweeting.)
Without troubling you with the history of what led to the suspension. TIM Wolle (quote)
What kind of a pussy ass intro is that.I don't mean to bother you but yet somehow I do mean to bother you. Passive /aggresive ..No balls statement.
But you feel the need to trouble SERGIO with a letter. OKAY WAT?
No self serving agenda here folks.Isolated incident,move along nothing to see here.
After witnessing what Mr. Gilles's has done in the past few months, I have decided that I am not going to place the orders for a new truck and Viper
as I had originally planned. I am not alone in this respect, and have heard
similar responses from several other members of the club.
This is quoted from his letter..
You drama queen piece of shit. That is so full of BS even the cows smell it and won't step in it. You really think a CEO is going to feel your butt hurt? Ralph saved the viper.And you are BITCHING?
I was offended,I am a offended white male that is just offended about Ralph Gilles actions. OH pity me you ass hat and to write the CEO of Fiat?
Why do you feel the need to write someones boss.You trying to get him fired?
Do you also wear tampons when you get your latte at starbucks and "others" park in YOUR spot.DO you write the CEO of starbux since yur pussy ass is offended and maybe you will never buy another item from their company?
Obviously you had the gang behind you as they "approved" this smear of Ralph G.He is a great asset to the viper club and he made the NEW viper happen.
But I didn't want my GRAVY TRAIN to end so here I am a pussy white offended male writing Sergio... REALLY DUDE......Not only did one letter not work but again another anonoymous letter .Are you still on the board?
Passive /aggresive tendencies.......Praise the man for his work then shoot him down.
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Without troubling you with the history of what led to the suspension. TIM Wolle (quote)
What kind of a pussy ass intro is that.I don't mean to bother you but yet somehow I do mean to bother you. Passive /aggresive ..No balls statement.
But you feel the need to trouble SERGIO with a letter. OKAY WAT?
No self serving agenda here folks.Isolated incident,move along nothing to see here.
After witnessing what Mr. Gilles's has done in the past few months, I have decided that I am not going to place the orders for a new truck and Viper
as I had originally planned. I am not alone in this respect, and have heard
similar responses from several other members of the club.
This is quoted from his letter..
You drama queen piece of shit. That is so full of BS even the cows smell it and won't step in it. You really think a CEO is going to feel your butt hurt? Ralph saved the viper.And you are BITCHING?
I was offended,I am a offended white male that is just offended about Ralph Gilles actions. OH pity me you ass hat and to write the CEO of Fiat?
Why do you feel the need to write someones boss.You trying to get him fired?
Do you also wear tampons when you get your latte at starbucks and "others" park in YOUR spot.DO you write the CEO of starbux since yur pussy ass is offended and maybe you will never buy another item from their company?
Obviously you had the gang behind you as they "approved" this smear of Ralph G.He is a great asset to the viper club and he made the NEW viper happen.
But I didn't want my GRAVY TRAIN to end so here I am a pussy white offended male writing Sergio... REALLY DUDE......Not only did one letter not work but again another anonoymous letter .Are you still on the board?
Passive /aggresive tendencies.......Praise the man for his work then shoot him down.
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