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Old August 30th, 2013, 12:21 AM   #1161
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John Hennessey, excellent post.

Mike "Smokin'2" I remember having these discussions with you last year and I personally know that you tried to speak for your constituents in the Houston area.

I do have a feeling that we will get the club back at some point.
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The real Viper Club are the owners who gather together in the various cities and regions around the world. That is how the club started from day one. First it was Maurice in N. Cal. Then others like Ferguson in Chicago, me in Houston, Dean Word in San Antonio, Lashinsky in Orlando, Ivan Ho in Miami and so on. JonB did a heck of a job too in the NW. And there are many others who all did the same. They were Viper owners, passionate about their cars and wanting to share the experience with fellow Viper owners.

Now days its guys like Kurt in Austin and the many other good guys who are owners and who go out of their way to put together fun events for local Viper owners.

The national VCA was established by Maurice and Ron Smith who was the marketing manager for Dodge. Maurice wanted a way for the factory to recognize the club. And in turn the factory would try to do cool things for owners that the owners could not do on their own. Factory tours, factory deliveries, amazing Viper Invitationals (Monterey, Indy, Orlando, Vegas were all incredible), etc.

Ron Smith and Marty Levine from Dodge were very firm and fair on how the club was managed. And they were very smart to use JR Thompson Co. to help establish and maintain club organization, Viper Magazine and many other nice things that the local clubs could not do on their own.

I wont bore everybody with what happened to the club after Mercedes bought out Chrysler. But I think that was a turning point where both the Viper and the Club took a turn for the worse. And as everybody knows, Chrysler went BK in 2008-2009 and the last thing on their list was taking care of the Viper Club. And that is when an entrenched group of cronies, drunk on Viper power and greed took over and took the club where it is now. All that has been hashed out here.

But here's the important part to remember and appreciate. The local clubs are still out there, having fun and doing cool stuff, even with the national club F-ing with them and telling them what they can and cant do. Threatening them and so on. F the national VCA. They dont matter, they are insignificant and they are done.

Like I said before, the only value the national club did was to maintain the relationship with the factory so that Viper owners could do cool things that the local clubs could not do on their own. I cant imagine anyone at Chrysler wanting to keep the current national VCA. These clowns have tainted the car and the brand. They are hurting Viper sales right now. They many be hurting SRT sales in general. WTF? How can a car club do this to a vehicle, brand, owners and manufacturer? This is beyond rediculous.

I fully expect Chrysler cease their relations with the national VCA as it exists. And I know that they care the most about their owners, the Viper and their brand and reputation. And as such, I expect that they will come up with some way of re-connecting directly with their owners and enthusiasts. And in the process cut out the "fleas who think that they own the dog" national VCA board of douchebags.

I know many are reading my words and the weight that they carry with some. I know because I have gotten a few phone calls. And I will keep on beating the drum. I dont care if I get flamed. And I really dont care what anyone thinks. Is this personal to me? You bet it is.

I know what the real Viper Club was like from 1994 through 2000. It was special. It was exciting. It was an experience. And that is gone and aint coming back. And it was all very unnecessary.

To my friends at Chrysler, SRT and to all the Viper owners out there, you deserve better. And you will have better. And the sooner the busy body BOD finds another club to join and run into the ground, the better.

John Hennessey

Nicely written John

Not to derail this but I was watching a video of a 458 Ferrari you did. Car was sikkkkkk. Small TTs you Did on car..
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Old August 30th, 2013, 01:19 AM   #1163
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So it's 9:18 here in Greece... I'm waiting to see who wins the Viper. This is going to be the most honest Viper raffle pick ever... Too many eyes watching it.
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You have to sign an NDA to watch the raffle.


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Someone said the BOD met earlier this week, and had another meeting on Thursday (today).

We've heard of "big changes" and "they are taking it seriously". I am sure people are extremely skeptical of that, since "real change" would include removing themselves as well.


So, what's the latest. What's the news? I have a sneaking suspicion that "big changes" will be something like.... CM no longer running VPA, meeting next month to discuss changing the bylaws, a commitment to openness and transparency, and reinstatement of JonB. And such a proposal will actually be said with a straight face
Last update I got was votes were made and changes were happening. Now lawyers are involved.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 08:06 AM   #1166
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Lawyers being involved means 1 of 2 things in my mind (or a combination of both):

1) Serious misdeeds took place and it is a complete shit show that could be uncovered
2) Those involved are fighting tooth and nail to not give up their positions of power and cushy jobs

It is just about the cars, right Bobpantax?
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Lawyers being involved means 1 of 2 things in my mind (or a combination of both):

1) Serious misdeeds took place and it is a complete shit show that could be uncovered
2) Those involved are fighting tooth and nail to not give up their positions of power and cushy jobs

It is just about the cars, right Bobpantax?
My bet is #2 more so than #1 but both are possible.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 08:48 AM   #1168
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$100.00 reward to the person who steals Bobpantax's Kool Aid cup. This guy is really thirsty!!!! Let me get this straight. You want to caniballize the Tax Section of the Florida Bars bylaws to create new bylaws for the VCA? Great idea!!! So you suggest we have some lawyers re-write bylaws drafted by lawyers to replace the repressive bylaws presently in effect that were written by another lawyer? Why dont we just get all the lawyers that own Vipers and have them draw up a new set of bylaws for the club? Geez Louise!! Why didn't I think of that?

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$100.00 reward to the person who steals Bobpantax's Kool Aid cup. This guy is really thirsty!!!!
Baghdad Bob likes to think of himself as an insider, so no doubt he feels some allegience to the outgoing regime.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 09:14 AM   #1170
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The VCA has an antiquated charter. Disband it last week.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 09:35 AM   #1171
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SRT Mike - nice to have you back.

i suggest that there are good people on the BoD and they ARE trying to do good things. Nothing's easy anymore - I would think that you would know that. We live in a strange society - one that could get so wrapped around the axle about a car club, and threaten people with legal proceedings, threaten websites if they hosted audio of a call you were on - knew it was being recorded, were ASKED to leave and refused! but then you want to bitch about the recording? and people who call other people's bosses (NOT JonB )

Oh- and I forgot - lots of these folks have jobs.

If information has been hidden / spun like the evidence we've seen within the last week and a half from everyone - including the BOD (and it has - because those folks were pretty irate for forwarding Lee's "all is fine" email) then it may take a few days to start to peel back the layers of the onion of deception and have something that they can feel confident is truthful and accurate.

It's easy to have all the answers when you can just make them up. But if you want to hold people to a higher standard of ethics and honesty, you have to give them some time to uncover the truth and get some stuff done.
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its a real shame to have such a club as large as we have with some great knowledgeable people and owners to deal with BULLSHIT...This shit is soooooo stupid. You all need to ask the question how did this all take place without anyone ever asking the questions. This site got created because of the way the VCA was being run.So my question would be how come the other side (MEMBERS) never got curious to ask why Marshall and family were getting paid and why were they creating another business within the VCA. A non profit company opening up a profit company selling parts to there members and ripping them off..WTF?? You guys that are on the other side should be mad as hell and call up Lee and Marshall and insist on them to step down immediately. What the fuck is this lawyer bullshit. Put a poll up and vote on it. Give them 24 hrs and hold another election. This is a joke and you guys and gals should take matters in your own hands...We dont need lawyers to tell us whats good for the club..And these Laws??? Wht the fuck? A laughing joke..
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The raffle drawing was to take place 11 minutes ago.

So, whats the deal? LOL
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The raffle drawing was to take place 11 minutes ago.

So, whats the deal? LOL
We all lost.
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I have a fear the VCA is going to have a lot of issues with the raffle.

Any cloud of doubt over it, which there is, is going to have a lot of people asking for cash back.

Especially those that bought multi tickets to "help the club" - which all turned out to be a complete joke.
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This is strange..anyone know whats going on???
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There are fortune 500 companies that have less corporate executive structure than the VCA. That government is best which governs least. What a fucking joke.
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So, whats the deal? LOL
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