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Old August 27th, 2013, 06:11 PM   #821
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Just as a point of clarification - but "clerical error" I meant what could be spun to the state of NE about pleading ignorance about running a raffle, etc - what it would have boiled down to is lack of skill and sadly - it may cost the VCA a bunch of money. "Clerical error" would be what could be told and possibly be believed if you weren't "in the know".

I don't understand why the change from using the Motor City Club when the raffles had been run without issues.
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Old August 27th, 2013, 06:14 PM   #822
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Just as a point of clarification - but "clerical error" I meant what could be spun to the state of NE about pleading ignorance about running a raffle, etc - what it would have boiled down to is lack of skill and sadly - it may cost the VCA a bunch of money. "Clerical error" would be what could be told and possibly be believed if you weren't "in the know".

I don't understand why the change from using the Motor City Club when the raffles had been run without issues.
Greed. That is all it is, greed.

It is a de minimis cost to properly hold the license.

They simply wanted more money.

The Corvette Museum doesn't have these issues.
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Old August 27th, 2013, 06:19 PM   #823
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Alright so I'll bite. When do you believe it went south? Obviously it was on its way once CM took over but do you think even before that?
Honestly it's been so long ago that precise dates fade. I have to work backwards in my memory and try to remember some milestones.

2003 - The morgue's censorship became intolerable and we broke away to form this place. I think they were treating us pretty crappily for at least a couple years prior to that. We just didn't quite "get it" yet and were still naively trying to work with the system instead of against it. I was pretty vocal about their high-handed censorship and I got tapped to discuss grievances with Steve 'turd' Ferguson and other leadership about how to make the VCA website work for those of us members who wanted a little niche forum that was more like a neighborhood bar than a living episode of Leave It To Beaver. All we wanted was to shoot the shit, act a little stupid and write BALLS on the forehead of the guy who passed out on the bar next to us. Just good clean All American fun. But noooooo .... If it wasn't about Sneaky Pete keychain doo-dads, great big happy smiles and the greater glory of Dodge/Chrysler/DC whatever then it was verboten. I digress ... anyway I tried to relay this sentiment to Turd Ferguson in a reasonable way back in 2002 or so and all I got was stroking and lip service. I think most of us old timers would say that it became apparent that the VCA was purely in it for the VCA back around 2000 - 2001.
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Old August 27th, 2013, 06:27 PM   #825
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It was viper.org because a friend in the Va club early on had .com and wouldn't let it go.

Have you noticed when things get out in the open, everyone runs for cover and acts like they "were at the movies" when all the bad stuff went down.

I was a charter member and was on the board from day one. It was once my favorite car forum. Like others I got "moderated" which is effectively invisible.

I have had 11 Vipers, now only one 92. I had an order in for a 2013 but cancelled for a number of reasons including the mess VCA had become.

I am on the Ford GT forum, McClaren, Ferrari and other forums. I am lucky to own cars that cost 3X what a 13 Viper costs. But, NO OTHER car enthused me more than Viper. That is why it is so sad to see all the damage that has been done.

So many folks acting horribly and so many others looking the other way. And truly remarkably , that this many nitwits could cause this much trouble.

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Old August 27th, 2013, 06:28 PM   #826
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What would she know? She can't even see her feet, for crying out loud.
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Old August 27th, 2013, 06:28 PM   #827
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How could you buy 9? 125 each, 5 for 500. It was the same price or less to buy 10.

Had I been part of the VCA Elite, (Venom Membership), I could have had:
6 for $500 X 2 = 12 tickets @ $83.33 each

Alas, I am only VCA Steerage class so it was:
3 for $300 X 3 = 9 tickets @ $100 each
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Old August 27th, 2013, 06:33 PM   #828
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Had I been part of the VCA Elite, (Venom Membership), I could have had:
6 for $500 X 2 = 12 tickets @ $83.33 each

Alas, I am only VCA Steerage class so it was:
3 for $300 X 3 = 9 tickets @ $100 each
Sorry, I got it wrong. It looks like those two tiered prices aren't viable under most raffle regulations.
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Old August 27th, 2013, 06:36 PM   #829
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well my post on the vca members section asking if the raffle is still taking place has went unanswered for over 2 hours.
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Old August 27th, 2013, 06:37 PM   #831
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For anyone that has called or emailed their local/regional president your actions are starting to have an effect. I know of 2 letters formally requesting for to Lee resign. Here is one of them:

Lee:

Anyone that volunteers time for the VCA knows years of involvement is required and hours of time weekly are involved once you are elected to a National Officer's position. We are also aware there is always the quack in the back ready to complain. I hold no ill will toward you. Frankly I hardly know you and have spoken in person only a handful of times. I have often been accused of being too blunt.

Sir, you need to resign. The optics on this are real bad regardless of the yet to be disclosed facts. You compounded the matter by participating in a presidents' conference call under questionable circumstances. There are several others in varying positions throughout the organization, some of whom may no longer hold a formal office, that have helped create multiple issues with Chrysler that should consider doing so as well for the long term good of the VCA and its ongoing relationship with our manufacturer.

I have been told several times that issues I have raised on behalf of my local members are 'none of my concern'. The lack of accountability regarding this brewing problem over the last number of years predates your presidency, but you are the one holding the ticking bomb as it is going off.

I wish you the best personally, but formally request as president of the XXXX VCA region that you tender your resignation.
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Just a bit "O " humour

I feel the shit is breaking loose and sense the VCA(current regime) will soon get an enema.

Can't polish a turd so we FLUSH it. And all those turds will finally see what we see in them.

Shit with a stain,and no laundry detergent can clean you from OUR eyes with your PAST ACTIONS.

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Old August 27th, 2013, 06:53 PM   #835
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anyone ever pull the carfax on the giveaway viper CM stole for an afternoon?
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Old August 27th, 2013, 06:53 PM   #836
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The ridiculous part of all this is how bad to you have to fuck up a car club for a major automotive manufacturer to actually take the time to get involved.

All the guys @ Chrysler and SRT have real jobs that revolve around multi-billion dollar business. The fact that they took time out of their busy schedules to support the VCA was gracious from the get-go (I realize they got benefit out of having a strong ownership experience as well).

But to so badly mismanage that relationship that they are sending official letters on company letterhead? I can't fathom the depths of incompetence one would need to reach to make something like that happen.

The relationship is the raison d'etre for VCA members. Without it, there is no VCA. The fact that it could even be slightly strained - let alone under peril of being stopped altogether - is more than enough for the leadership to be ousted.

I find it absolutely mind boggling that this Bob guy is saying he read Ralph's tweet and his take is that everything is OK barring a couple of minor issues. Talk about putting a band aid on an amputation!

And actually, I didn't see anyone - other than the aforementioned guy - supporting the VCA in that whole thread, other than the woman listed as FL Regional Officer - and wasn't she the one who was recently "appointed" to a new, higher position by Lee himself? If so, she's part of the problem
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Welcome back Craig.

We were just playing with the VCA, but I think we broke it. Oops.
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Welcome back Craig.

We were just playing with the VCA, but I think we broke it. Oops.
Thanks for the warm welcome back!

I saw the post on Jalopnik and dropped everything to head over here

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