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Old August 26th, 2013, 09:00 PM   #621
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From: Lee Stubberfield
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:06 PM
To: XXX
Subject: Update on Status to Officers

As most of you know, there has been some pretty upsetting stuff floating around about the club and its relationship with the manufacturer. We know that it has upset our membership, and made us all as leaders look foolish. On Wednesday Chrysler sent a letter to the four national officers. An unknown then sent it to at least one board member, Jim Johnson. Mr. Johnson has had absolutely no official or authorized dealings with Chrysler as it relates to VCA business. However he has chosen to take that private letter, knowing absolutely none of the background whatsoever, and then used it as some sort of catalyst to make the club look bad. Forwarding not only the letter but private email conversations between Board Members. These actions resulted in not only the letter but the comments between board members going viral on the internet.

We have a call scheduled with the VCA Board of Directors to give them the full background and why that letter should not be misconstrued as any sort of slight to the club - it is not. However we now know that Mr. Johnson is trying to spread misinformation. His actions have been damaging and unacceptable. He knew nothing of the relationship with Chrysler. It's time you should.
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As discussed in the January board meeting, there was a gap developing between SRT, the club, and Viper owners in general. People sent letters to Chrysler expressing their concerns about that gap and what could be done to fix it. At least one letter was signed and the Chrysler Business Practices Office (their version of Internal Affairs) contacted the author. He suggested that they also talk to past club leaders such as Chris Marshall and Marv Spatz to get more of the history of the club. Neither Marv or Chris contacted them. They were contacted by the CBPO.

Over the course of a few months, they had several private conversations with that Chrysler group. In May the link to the VCA was removed from the DriveSRT.com site. That Business Practices Office within Chrysler was notified and got it restored. At that point that same office notified them that the club would have new contacts at Chrysler going forward. As such, that office asked Chris & Marv to come to Auburn Hills to talk to those gentlemen about the club. No negotiations or decisions to be made, it was simply an informal meeting to discuss Chryslers involvement in past years, how Chrysler could help the club with things like COOL memberships, online chats, and magazine articles. And how the club could help Chrysler. During this process they shared all the clubs financial documents as well as VPA, and the structure and the organization of the club. No faults were found.

Now, many of you are in business and are probably familiar with internal investigations and other such things within big corporations. Those discussions are held very, very closely - lest they cause unwarranted damage in or outside the company. Chrysler made it VERY clear to both Marv and Chris that they were not to disclose these discussions elsewhere, including to other club members or officers. A very obvious reason why they had those restrictions has been shown by Jim Johnson who, armed with no actual facts at all, is now causing unwarranted chaos in and out of the club. So when they went to Auburn Hills for that first meeting they made sure to point out who Chrysler should be working with in the future when it came to keeping that relationship strong in the future - the new national officers. Marv and Chris then immediately called Dan and myself - right there from Auburn Hills. They brought us up to speed and said that they expected these new Chrysler contacts for the club, including Pat, to reach out to us. This was the first that any of the new national officers knew about these ongoing conversations. Chrysler want to designate a limited contact from their side and one from ours. I chose to include Dan as there were serious financial issues to discuss.

A few weeks later and they did. They sent an invitation to me and Chris directly. They made it very clear that there would be no discussion of VPA during that meeting - their policy was very strict about mixing for-profit business with non-profit. Remember that Viper Parts of America has partnered with Mopar specifically - not SRT. With these new contacts representing Mopar specifically, Mopar is very careful in how they separate their business. In the end both Dan and I attended as official representatives of the VCA, with Chris sitting in simply to answer questions about the magazine and COOL memberships. Remember that the National Business Office (which was the for-profit JR Thompson Company, then Coast to Coast Management) has always handled all of the day-to-day business of the club, including maintaining all records and coordinating various things with Chrysler such as plant tours, COOL memberships, car corrals, etc. Chris was there to help represent the back office of the club, as he obviously has no board or officer authority whatsoever.

The problem arose when they had asked for records relating to logo use, including a signed magazine advertising agreement with a company against which they have an active legal injunction. Let's make that very clear - Chrysler has a legal injunction against this company for using protected logos without authorization. Because the club had a signed advertising agreement from that same company that claimed they had those rights, Chrysler wanted a copy of it. Well, not one single national officer keeps those records - it is all maintained by the National Business Office - Coast to Coast. So Chris forwarded that from his own email to Pat Dougherty and the Chrysler trademark attorney. Chris also forwarded on other documents that they requested, including the club bylaws.

Unfortunately, Mopar had not been briefed on how the club has always operated with a for-profit company doing all of the back office work. It was JR Thompson Company for the first 15 years and Coast to Coast Management since then. They did not understand that Coast to Coast (a for-profit company) maintains those records and would be forwarding them on. It has NOTHING to do with running the club, but everything to do with running the back end business. Needless to say, Mopar was baffled as they did not understand why a non-officer was sending them these documents - and that person was the same person they normally dealt with from Viper Parts of America. We never covered it in any of our meetings and we paid the price when that letter was distributed beyond the national officers earlier this week.

For those that have seen that letter, pay very careful attention to this critical piece: "Without an understanding from VCA as to the concrete steps that will be taken by VCA to create a meaningful wall between the “for profit” business and the “club,” this will be a difficult meeting with an unknown outcome." Mopar simply didn't understand that the Viper Club, just like the Ferrari Club and most other national car clubs, is "run" by a for-profit company that handles all of their record keeping and day-to-day business. That company makes ZERO decisions for the club and Chris made absolutely no attempt to do so. For example, he gathered bids for the magazine printing and presented them to us to decide, which we did. In this case he had simply forwarded them documents that they requested as any good admin assistant would do, but the separation between VPA and VCA was not clear at all.

Yesterday we spoke at length with Pat Dougherty, the gentleman from Mopar that authored that letter. He was not aware of the way the club is set up, nor that other clubs have very similar management structures: Decisions are made entirely by club officers (volunteers) while the paid staff or management company then follows through to support those decisions.

We will continue to work with Chrysler to make sure they know exactly how the club is set up. The club is doing all the right things and hitting on all cylinders. There will be a few hiccups as both parties figure out the other in more detail. None of them indicate any inherent problems whatsoever, other than the above statement, which we told them we would address to their satisfaction. There is a specific issue to be addressed with the flow of Cool money through our membership management company and the fact that one of our membership employees also works for a Mopar dealership. Had the issue of Cool money not come up in a positive way, as in reinstating it, that letter would not have been written

However, when a club officer, especially a board member or national officer, operates outside the best interests of the club then there is a problem - a very big one at that. That letter from Chrysler was addressed very specifically to me and had Mr. Johnson made any attempt to find out what prompted it he would have learned what you have here. However he chose to use it as a wedge to divide the club and turn people against each other. This, for a club that continues to experience membership growth every year, just sold out its latest raffle, and is building an even stronger relationship with the manufacturer. Given his actions, Mr. Johnson has been temporarily suspended from the VCA Board of Directors. Sensitive matters such as the above involving the Club and the Corporation obviously cannot be discussed in his presence. The Full Board will meet and decide on Mr. Johnson’s eventual status in the future. Mr Johnson will be accorded every opportunity to defend himself. But at this point he has proven that he can not be trusted to keep confidential items he agreed to do so in his agreement.
Thank you JT for posting that.

More frigging spin from the same people who have lost all credibility with SRT. Nothing short of Stubby and his cronies, plus the C2CM string pullers, stepping down, will restore faith in the VCA.

And, like has already been said, AND confirmed to me by one of the people CC'd on the letter...it was meant to be seen outside of the circle of cronies.

Are you so stupid as to think you (National) are the only people that SRT talks to?.

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Viper Alley Medal Of Honor Nominee? Jim Johnson

Why? For forwarding the Chrysler 8/20 letter to (ONLY) Fellow BOD members and fellow regional presidents of record.

It got 'to the Internet' becasue of others.... Jim is the fall-guy in latest round of ViperGate

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Well if he's pissed these guys off THAT much - I would say that does take care of the nomination process....

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here you go, well written and right to the heart of the matter.
Off the vca site just now.

Here's some interesting reading from someone apparently in the know. I won't disclose who sent this but it went to all the presidents.

My fellow officers: I have read all the emails concerning the problems between the vca and srt and i would like to say that i am pleased that this has come into the open because of chrysler's response to lee's inaccurate summation of the last meeting with srt. Lee is now forced to defend his statements and can't hide behind his wall of secrecy and threats of banishment from the club if anyone says anything he doesn't like. Although you will note that he has already tried to keep this information from the membership and has started his anticipated attack against jim johnson, for forwarding the information to the presidents. Lee has called for a board meeting tonight, which jim has been excluded from, to no doubt attack jim and try to spin his false statements into something the board will believe.

Chrysler was not afraid of this letter getting out. It wasn't a secret. It was on official company letterhead and was not marked confidential or do not distribute. For someone who ran on the platform of communication, that is the last thing lee wants to do. After all, he neglected to invite maurice, our national secretary, and randall, our national vice president, to the meeting with srt. Instead he invited dan our national treasurer and chris marshall who has no official title. Now why do you suppose that is the case? Could it be that chris is pulling the strings and/or that chris's entire livelihood depends on the vca as you will see below.

First and foremost things are not fine with srt, as lee keeps telling us. Everyone should know that by now. To put it nicely, lee tried to mislead us. Things have not been fine since the january presidents meeting in detroit when ralph had a meeting with the national officers. Club members had complained to national about the way the club was being run and transparency of finances, which fell on deaf ears. So they went to ralph for help. Ralph was concerned about sending owners of the new viper to a club with complaints, so he asked for changes in the way the club was being run, including issues of transparency, as many of us had already done. If you would like to know the details, then by all means ask mr. Communication himself or one of the other national officers, but the point is they were put on notice to make changes.

Instead of discussing this with the regional presidents in an open forum at the meeting, lee demanded that no one speak of the meeting while he, marv and a few others plotted what to do. They had the choice of working with srt for the benefit of our club and its membership, but they chose to attack ralph in a very methodical way instead. First with a letter by former dal tim wollesen to sergio accusing ralph of costing srt sales by meddling in club business. When this didn't work, it was followed by an anonymous letter to chrysler accusing ralph of wrongdoing including the taking of bribes. All the while telling the membership that everything was fine. Ralph has copies of these letters and is also aware of the statement by lee and marv that the vca doesn't need srt's support. What ignorant arrogance by these two. Does anyone think that ralph and srt will forgive and forget these attacks? Really? Well they haven't.

I spent a week with srt at le mans in june and it was clear they wanted nothing to do with the vca, at least while the present leadership was in place. Need more proof? You will note that the vca, which was once prominently displayed on the dodge/srt website, is nowhere to be found. Not one word letting anyone know that the international car club representing their halo car even exists. Want more? We will not be allowed to hang any vca banners at any srt events such as the southwest zone rendezvous in austin next month. Further, i attended the pebble beach concours last weekend and asked about vca displays at the srt tent and was told "absolutely not". Yes that is a quote. Finally, you will note that ralph no longer writes the forward in viper magazine and not because of the excuse lee made up. In simple terms you can't bite the hand that feeds you and expect them to like it. So anyone telling you that all is well between the vca and srt is lying.

People often ask why? Why would someone want to slander ralph? It all comes back to money. It started with a simple question when i asked chris marshall just how much he was making off the club, at the presidents meeting a year and a half ago in phoenix. Aside from the publicly known answer that coast to coast marketing (mary marshall) is paid $60,000 a year to manage the club he refused to give a straight answer. To this day the national office has not disclosed his total compensation working for the club. While no one is objecting to people being paid for their work we have a right to know how much the club pays them. So what do we know? We know mary is paid as above and chris is in charge of viper magazine and receives all advertising revenues up to $75,000 a year. We all know how well that is going with the current issue being four months late and no reason given to all those who have asked. And, did you know that chris made his son the editor? Bty reports are that the magazine is losing money as well. Chris is also running the vpa and is paid somewhere in the $50,000 a year range. We asked him for the figure at the january meeting and he refused to give it to us. So maybe someone here should ask him again. I'm sure everyone here would like to see the real financial records of the vpa to determine just how it is benefiting the club. As yet they refuse to show them to us. No the one sheet summary of two year old figures shown at the presidents meeting does not count. Let's also not forget the $50,000 chris demanded to be paid to run the voi last year. He and mary got their money and the club lost money on the voi. I don't suppose they would like to kick back a little to the club now would they? As chris will tell you, both he and mary were unemployed when they went on the club payroll so it is absolutely in their best interests to keep the gravy train rolling. Now you know exactly why chrysler mentioned them in their letter. They have a monopoly on the club business which doesn't look good to anyone especially chrysler.

To be fair i would point out that many of us, myself included, think mary does a good job managing the club but the lack of transparency in the financial's of viper magazine and the vpa as well as their apparent monopoly on all aspects of the business side of the club has to change.

It's obvious from chrysler's letter that the roadblocks to reestablishing a healthy relationship with srt are having chris and mary marshall managing the business, as well as the trust that has been lost with the national office. Its time to replace them with people who are trusted by both vca as well as srt.

If you are happy with the way things are and are content to be dictated and lied to all the while being alienated from the manufacturer of our whole reason to be, the viper, then do nothing. If not, then take action at your meeting tonight and take back your club and demonstrate to chrysler that there are good people here and that we will no longer tolerate the status quo. People, this is a car club make it fun again!
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This is sort of like the famed Steve Jobs "Reality Distortion Field"

VPA/VCA seemingly got caught with their hands in the cookie jar. The "We forgot to tell Chrysler" is like saying "Oh honey I am sorry I didn't tell you I was porking your sister before we got married."

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Does anyone (especially a Mod) know a better to post all of them besides a bunch of posts with 5 attachments in each that people have to open?
I don't want to clutter up this thread with how to do it, so please PM me if you have another suggestion.
You can attach a ton of images per post. I think around 20 per post. Once you post it, you can click on the attachment for the larger view and then right click to get the image location. Then use the image tag with that location. Otherwise, just do a big upload on photobucket or something.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 10:30 PM   #637
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ViperGate is right.

What a shame. I read all 32 pages of this and for that I am thankful.

I bought a Viper ACRx this past week.

I was about to join VCA.

Now I will not.

Sincere thanks.

Regardless of what this Lee guys says, when SRT is going on record saying VCA is crap the way it is run and the conflicts that are present (my take) then what needs to be done is Lee and the others needs to step down immediately, end of story. Anything short of that clearly SRT is going to cut VCA off at the knees and the members will suffer from that. It also would seem that SRT is ripe to back another Viper club away from VCA. Someone step up and start one or something.

And where is the audio?
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First post here. Been a long time member of the VCA but now I'm sickened by the actions of a few that have been in leadership roles. Lee's rant about Jim Johnson is disgusting. Jim is honorable and one of a few that have stood up to the people that are dragging the VCA down. Lee, Marv Spatz, Chris Marshall, and probably others need to go. This is ridiculous. Lee spins everything. It is never his fault, it is always someone else who should be blamed while Chris pulls his strings. Disgraceful. Why are they so interested in staying in power??? They must have something they really want to hide. If they resign then maybe new management would uncover what they are trying to hide. My guess is that it must be so bad they are afraid of the consequences of it coming out.
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