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Old August 26th, 2013, 10:58 AM   #521
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Which is it Cathy Smiley or David Ivler?
Cathy, i understand she doesnt' want to deal with the drama. but its public knowledge now.. it needs to be dealt with.
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Has all this been posted to other car forums? I would like to read those responses...
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Very critical posts being made in the Members only section where Lee started the thread, amazed they are being left up.
Copy and paste (or screenshot) them and post them here before they disappear.
Someone that's a VCA member needs to be posting it here.
If you're uncomfortable for fear of reprisal, shoot me a PM on here and I'll give you my email address. You can email them to me and I'll post them.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 11:40 AM   #525
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Has all this been posted to other car forums? I would like to read those responses...
It will be on Jalopnik today or tomorrow from what I understand
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Old August 26th, 2013, 11:45 AM   #526
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Copy and paste (or screenshot) them and post them here before they disappear.
Someone that's a VCA member needs to be posting it here.
If you're uncomfortable for fear of reprisal, shoot me a PM on here and I'll give you my email address. You can email them to me and I'll post them.
^^^^ Please!

I became a VCA member in 1999 when I got my cream puff Y2KGTS (Chris's was black; mine is Steel Gray) I quit after 2003 when there was too much doochiness at the events and from those running the club and the show. Plus I got sick of the PC bullshit on the website (although I understand the need) so I quit the club and was one of the earliest members here in 2003.

I tried to check the thread and got the standard non-member fuck off:

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So please cut and paste some of the comments here for those of us that still have a Viper and MIGHT be interested in the club again if all the BS was cleansed.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 11:46 AM   #527
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It will be on Jalopnik today or tomorrow from what I understand

Does "VIPERGATE" give an appropriate 1-word title to this event?

A lot of similarities to the Nixon-Agnew whitehouse. And now there are even "RECORDINGS" to be released soon!!

If you are senior / informed enough to remember, this is scripted a LOT like Watergate....."Dirty Tricks" "Fall-Guys" "I'm NOT a Crook!" etc etc
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Old August 26th, 2013, 11:56 AM   #528
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So please cut and paste some of the comments here for those of us that still have a Viper and MIGHT be interested in the club again if all the BS was cleansed.[/QUOTE]

Ask and ye shall receive.

"I tweeted Ralph Gilles last night and asked him if SRT had severed ties with the VCA. He responded in less than an hour with this DM.

"Not exactly, just put them on notice to clear up some conflicts of interest & peculiar behaviors. We LOVE the general club members."

Ralph and Chrysler clearly aren't happy. We should take appropriate actions to get back in their graces."
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I don't have a problem with those local officers that do not want to get proactively involved with national issues. Most probably did not want to be officers in the first place. They are volunteers and usually in a position in life where they no longer have a desire for putting up with bullshit. To them ( and me ) it is just a dammed car club. Something to enjoy life with and if it becomes a f'ed up deal then walk away.

My 2 cents. I do not care one bit if VCA goes poof or if some folks are playing footsie in that organization.

I understand where JonB and nineball and other vendors give a shit. Me, not so much.
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Ask and ye shall receive.

"I tweeted Ralph Gilles last night and asked him if SRT had severed ties with the VCA. He responded in less than an hour with this DM.

"Not exactly, just put them on notice to clear up some conflicts of interest & peculiar behaviors. We LOVE the general club members."

Ralph and Chrysler clearly aren't happy. We should take appropriate actions to get back in their graces."
RG is a better man than I. I'd be out for blood if someone was shit talking me to the man that signs my checks. Or perhaps, he is just being polite...
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Old August 26th, 2013, 12:06 PM   #531
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Ask and ye shall receive.

"I tweeted Ralph Gilles last night and asked him if SRT had severed ties with the VCA. He responded in less than an hour with this DM.

"Not exactly, just put them on notice to clear up some conflicts of interest & peculiar behaviors. We LOVE the general club members."

Ralph and Chrysler clearly aren't happy. We should take appropriate actions to get back in their graces."
Wow, surely blows a giant gaping hole in their "Nothing is wrong, just a misunderstanding" attitude.

CEO of SRT calls out their conflicts of interest and peculiar behavior.

I'd like someone to message him and ask for permission to post the letter publicly so Lee & Co. can stop hiding behind the confidential letter made public nonsense.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 12:20 PM   #532
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Wow, surely blows a giant gaping hole in their "Nothing is wrong, just a misunderstanding" attitude.

CEO of SRT calls out their conflicts of interest and peculiar behavior.

I'd like someone to message him and ask for permission to post the letter publicly so Lee & Co. can stop hiding behind the confidential letter made public nonsense.
the letter is easy enough to find if anyone cares - it's at the top of this thread and it's pretty public. Ralph, unfortunately, has been dragged into this enough. I would hope his single tweet would be sufficient for the folks who continue to fly the current admins flag.

the fact that Ralph has to tweet, clarify, get emails, etc on this matter should be enough for anyone to agree that what we got, ain't working. it's an EMBARRASSMENT. and it's been going on for far too long. Ralph should be PROUD of the VCA and any interaction he has about this stuff should be FUN and POSITIVE - not this utter bullshit. THAT will destroy the long term relationship with the manufacturer. Take something that should be fun - and make it distasteful......

I've been mortified for a couple of years that the leadership of the VCA has CONTINUALLY been called on the carpet to explain things, and have simply SNOWED anyone who asked. (as well as taking active, NASTY steps to silence anyone that didn't support them blindly.)

This letter simply breached the dam, and will allow other truths to come out. Hell, they already have in Randall's letter. There were a couple of whoppers in there. And if the phone call audio gets published, I understand that there will be many further gems.....

sadly, stay tuned.
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RG is a better man than I. I'd be out for blood if someone was shit-talking me to the man that signs my checks. Or perhaps, he is just being polite...
Thanks for posting info from the cloaked spin zone.


RG is probably being Politically-Correct, especially since the TWO letters in April that attacked him to his boss. One signed by a then-BOD member who is also the VPA's paid warehouse landlord.
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Thanks for posting info from the cloaked spin zone.


RG is probably being Politically-Correct, especially since the TWO letters in April that attacked him to his boss. One signed by a then-BOD member who is also the VPA's paid warehouse landlord.
I was just quoting SOmeoe else in the thread! Wish I could take credit for it.

This is a fucking car club, why the god damned drama you'd see in a sorority?
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hey, hey, hey - I'd like to point out that all this drama and there's not a babe in sight...............
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This is a fucking car club, why the god damned drama you'd see in a sorority?


Now you see why there are so many 'enthusiasts' on that board. Unfortunately, the prevailing belief among those new to the club (many on the Gen V forum) seems to be that all enthusiasts are 'trolls'.

Personally, I just got tired of paying to get taken advantage of.
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No babes but plenty of vaginas.
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Well, this has surely opened my eyes to a lot of issues I was not aware of. I am a paying Venom member for a few years now, but likely will not be going forward. I am not very active in local club activities anyway as most of those are social activities rather than driving activities.

JonB has ALWAYS helped me out and I have tried to fight for him over at VCA, but I did not realize how deep this ran. I called him last week while on the Dustball Rally and he diagnosed the issue I was having and what I needed to do to fix it immediately. That sort of expertise is invaluable. Thanks to the OP for sharing the letter. I look very much forward to hearing the telephone call.
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