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Old August 26th, 2013, 08:31 AM   #501
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I just responded on the forum. It has not been locked and seems like it will stay that way for the time being.

I am a relatively new member but this is just disheartening. I would like to be part of the VCA with pride but right now i want very little affiliation other then the word Viper. There are always 2 sides but as of right now, his response is nothing more then....retarded. Sorry just no other word for it. I expected here is what happened, and 10 pages of back history considering it took so long to get a response and instead we get a statement that says, letter got out, it means nothing, dont worry about it and trust us. really??? thats the response?!?!?!?

If a president of any company that had 400+ clients put out a blanket statement like that, there would be no more company or president.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 09:00 AM   #503
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Until action is taken, starve the beast. Buy your tires, wheels, recent viper parts from the good guys, not VPA. Tell your approved Vendors that you are going to unapproved until this is fixed. Unfortunately there is no raffle to boycott for another 10 months. Do not renew your memberships at year end.

Call your regional president and ask what you can do to get rid of the BOD. Let them know you won't renew without new management.

It was stunning to go to events and talk to Dick Winkle, Ralph and SRT engineers. The BOD have screwed it up.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 09:04 AM   #504
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Until action is taken, starve the beast. Buy your tires, wheels, recent viper parts from the good guys, not VPA. Tell your approved Vendors that you are going to unapproved until this is fixed. Unfortunately there is no raffle to boycott for another 10 months. Do not renew your memberships at year end.

Call your regional president and ask what you can do to get rid of the BOD. Let them know you won't renew without new management.

It was stunning to go to events and talk to Dick Winkle, Ralph and SRT engineers. The BOD have screwed it up.
^ This. I never picked up VCA membership so nothing for me to do but just make sure I don't get one. Other than the HOWTO guides on the website I don't feel I'm missing much (how good are they though?)

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Old August 26th, 2013, 09:18 AM   #505
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From Bobpantax:

"I do not back any regime. I back Chrysler, SRT and the VCA. JonB is a friend. So are many of the past and present VCA Officers. My interest is seeing the club move on from this incident. Those who want change should just get more involved in the VCA and run for office."

Yeah, how did that work out for a Janni? Still some rats left on the ship.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 09:33 AM   #506
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Who is kissing Bob's ass?
I can explain why Bob is pro Marshall.

Back when the VOI was held in Utah and the G5 prototype was revealed to all that attended Bob was unable to attend. He began asking National officers and people who were friends with Ralph if he could sign a non disclosure agreement and be allowed to see the pics/rendering/drawings. Chris Marshall made this happen for him and he's been a nuthugger ever since.
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Call your regional president and ask what you can do to get rid of the BOD. Let them know you won't renew without new management..
That's the key. All they understand is money.
Has to be a concerted effort to get current members NOT to renew.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 09:37 AM   #508
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This response is interesting as it looks like Lee had to write it himself. Usually this would have been something Chris, Marv and the gang would have all contributed on and passed off to Lee to post as his. It would have been a much longer drawn out response like the ones in the other VCA thread where Kansas was actually responding and spinning shit left and right. Chris and Marv have been hidden in the background pulling strings ever since Lee took over. This letter from Chrysler shines an unwanted light on them and is the LAST thing they wanted.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 09:49 AM   #509
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As someone stated earlier. Until the changes are made and satisfactory to both parties do the following:

1) Boycott the VCA site as a whole.
2) Buy parts; gather knowledge; shoot the breeze ELSEWHERE
3) Refer to 1& 2


It seems that members on the VCA are also here on the Alley.
Yes; you may be out the 2013 due's you paid. Cut your losses and think of it as showing your view on the subject.

Vendors: Do not renew nor promote there until changes are made.

Let the site crash and burn. It will catch someones attention rather quickly.
The less traffic the better.

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Old August 26th, 2013, 09:49 AM   #510
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PS During a discussion with some of the leadership the other night I got quite angry about this situation. I apologize for that and rest assured it will not happen again.
What a fucking clown.
When you're unable to maintain a modicum of composure and professionalism as the face of a club under fire, you should just step the fuck down and disappear into the night.
The apology for being a rambling drunkard takes the cake.
"Hey guys, sorry 'bout all that shit the other night I was hopped up on Knob Creek and nasal spray. But I'm still your main guy even if sometimes I'm just cuckoo for cocoa puffs!"
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Old August 26th, 2013, 10:07 AM   #511
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I am a relatively new member but this is just disheartening.
It's been going on since the turn of the century with the VCA. Hence the inception of this site in early 2003.

Many prominent viper owners, some with 20+ years of Viper ownership, were exiled from the VCA for wanting nothing more than what's right. The Orwellian ways of the VCA still haven't changed.

Stay here, leave there. You won't regret it.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 10:14 AM   #512
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What a fucking clown.
When you're unable to maintain a modicum of composure and professionalism as the face of a club under fire, you should just step the fuck down and disappear into the night.
The apology for being a rambling drunkard takes the cake.
"Hey guys, sorry 'bout all that shit the other night I was hopped up on Knob Creek and nasal spray. But I'm still your main guy even if sometimes I'm just cuckoo for cocoa puffs!"
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Lee sounds like a preacher where the elders left with their check book since he was being greedy with the offerings.
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As mentioned earlier, contact your local president, and candidly ask them for their opinion and an update. If you are a paying VCA member, they owe it to you. If you aren't, then yes, you are voting with your wallet, but make sure they also know that.

I just traded messages with my regional president, and I could not be happier with the result.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 10:25 AM   #514
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As mentioned earlier, contact your local president, and candidly ask them for their opinion and an update. If you are a paying VCA member, they owe it to you. If you aren't, then yes, you are voting with your wallet, but make sure they also know that.

I just traded messages with my regional president, and I could not be happier with the result.
what was yours? mine was "i dont want to be involved"
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Old August 26th, 2013, 10:26 AM   #515
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what was yours? mine was "i dont want to be involved"
Then I guess time for the FL President to step down!
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Old August 26th, 2013, 10:31 AM   #516
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"I don't want to be involved" is not an answer. Is it distasteful? yes. Would EVERY SINGLE regional pres rather be doing other stuff? Certainly.

However, as voting members of the group that elects the national officers, the presidents ARE involved. And need to address concerns of their members. (as well as have an obligation to understand the issues, seek information, form and opinion and report back to their membership)

Also - before I forget - HUGE props to snakecharmer / Ken (and Jom Johnson) - for sticking with trying to find the truth and not being discouraged even after being subject to personal attacks on his character and years of stonewalling. I only wish I have truly seen the light sooner than I did.
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From the VCA site four hours ago:

Dear VCA Members:

A confidential letter from Chrysler was made available to the public on an unauthorized basis without disclosure of the historical and procedural context of the letter. The concerns set forth in the letter have already been discussed with Chrysler; and, going forward will be dealt with in a manner acceptable to and approved by Chrysler. The VCA has been, and continues to be, very grateful to Chrysler and SRT for the special relationship that the VCA has enjoyed for many years. It is unfortunate that the unauthorized release of the letter resulted in adverse publicity for all of the parties concerned. It is our hope going forward that the VCA can continue to provide its Members with continuing value for their membership dues.


Rest assured that the VCA is dedicated to the Viper Nation and the Viper experience.

Sincerely,


Lee Stubberfield

PS During a discussion with some of the leadership the other night I got quite angry about this situation. I apologize for that and rest assured it will not happen again.
Just in case that thread goes down in flames...


It just sounds like to me you guys (the board) screwed up the relationship with SRT/Chrysler FOREVER. That is the only real reason to have a National VCA. I hope you all step down becasuse of this embarassment and, real Viper guys that care can take the club back. Seems like alot of greedy people partying at the top and, you got busted by the mothership.
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what was yours? mine was "i dont want to be involved"
Lurk off
Non-involvement isn't a solution when the management of your club is failing to communicate to its members. Granted in this case the message is what it is and the level of displeasure is beyond palpable. But sticking a head in the sand hoping for it to all blow away isn't a successful method of dealing with this.

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Very critical posts being made in the Members only section where Lee started the thread, amazed they are being left up.
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what was yours? mine was "i dont want to be involved"
Which is it Cathy Smiley or David Ivler?
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