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Old January 5th, 2008, 12:29 PM   #1
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08 Viper Versus the ZR1?

Any predictions on quarter mile and road course times between the 08 Viper and the ZR1. The ZR1 has 115HP increase over the Z06 but weighs 200LBS more(3400LBS). They should be close in weight and RWHP. The ZR1 will still look like a "Turnip" parked next to the Viper though.
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Chevrolet has obviously made a commitment to keeping up with the Viper as far as straight line performance goes (Bob Lutz). However, as you metioned, the smiley face front, the ugly window pillars, the god awful, chopped off, humongous ass, piss poor orange peel paint, etc. culminate into a shitty looking car, compared to a Viper. My guess is that this ZR1 will have a short life, much like the last one had.
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Your way ahead..Im still wondering about the 08 Vipers that ppl just got.
Come on guys hurry up and break in your shit..
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Chevrolet has obviously made a commitment to keeping up with the Viper as far as straight line performance goes (Bob Lutz). However, as you metioned, the smiley face front, the ugly window pillars, the god awful, chopped off, humongous ass, piss poor orange peel paint, etc. culminate into a shitty looking car, compared to a Viper. My guess is that this ZR1 will have a short life, much like the last one had.
I agree with you 100%. In my opinion, the ZR1 looks like shit and is not what the Vette community were looking for. They wanted a car that went well beyond just keeping up with the Viper and I don't think they got it. Although it should be impressive in the 1/4 mile, on most road courses, I expect the ACR will destroy it!
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The ACR is going to be murderous on a road course, especially the ones with Hennessey type exhaust/header mods. If Chevrolet had made a retro '69 ZL1 vette with flares and all, along with a normally aspirated aluminum big block of over 500c.i., I would lose sleep over it until I got it. That shit looking bomb they came out with just made me love my Vipers more.
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Old January 5th, 2008, 05:28 PM   #6
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A NA car (stock viper) will beat a S/C'd car of the same weight and HP all day. The NA engine will not suffer from heat soak nor will it have any lag. IMO.
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A NA car (stock viper) will beat a S/C'd car of the same weight and HP all day. The NA engine will not suffer from heat soak nor will it have any lag. IMO.
I don't think the ZR1 is gonna have any lag. What it will have is a pretty fat torque curve down low. Dynos show that it falls off kinda hard up top. Seems to me that it probably has a higher average HP than the Viper, but will heatsoak. I think it will probably beat the Viper in a straight line, but not by much, and certainly not enough to outweigh the Viper's handling benefits on a road course.
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I don't think the ZR1 is gonna have any lag. What it will have is a pretty fat torque curve down low. Dynos show that it falls off kinda hard up top. Seems to me that it probably has a higher average HP than the Viper, but will heatsoak. I think it will probably beat the Viper in a straight line, but not by much, and certainly not enough to outweigh the Viper's handling benefits on a road course.
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I had a 2000 ACR with mods that produced 550 HP and my 2002 GTS S/C'd that produced 600 hp. That fuckin ACR was almost a 1/2 second faster in the 1/4. Nothing compares with the HP snap of a NA engine. I love my paxton but the NA car was simply faster.......I just didn't like the smell of gas and sold it.
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unfortunatly I am betting that the ZR1 will walk the Viper pretty hard in a straight line. But on the course the viper should over come the Z fairly easy.
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I just cant wait to see the ACR on the track with perhaps a few of the Hennessey type mods done to it. Paired up with a good driver it will be a deadly combo out there no doubt. And Viper engines N/A can net well over 850+ HP and keep ticking... here's proof.
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unfortunatly I am betting that the ZR1 will walk the Viper pretty hard in a straight line. But on the course the viper should over come the Z fairly easy.
Dude, same weight and the vette only has 20 hp more, wtf do you mean "walked pretty hard"? Shit, I lose alot more than 20 hp due to heat soak and I bet the vette will too. A high compression NA engine will beat a S/C'd engine of the same HP all day long.
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Dude, same weight and the vette only has 20 hp more, wtf do you mean "walked pretty hard"? Shit, I lose alot more than 20 hp due to heat soak and I bet the vette will too. A high compression NA engine will beat a S/C'd engine of the same HP all day long.
Then why does a stock SRT get walked soo hard by a stock 06 Z? Because of just the weight? I'm guessing the new ZR1 is going to kick the shit outta the 600hp SRT just as the older one did. Maybe not much if anything on a road course but for stoplight street races and 1/4 it will be significantly faster. The car is going to be stupid fast once people start modding them, thought I heard somewhere GM was getting up to 850hp out of that motor.
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Dude, same weight and the vette only has 20 hp more, wtf do you mean "walked pretty hard"? Shit, I lose alot more than 20 hp due to heat soak and I bet the vette will too. A high compression NA engine will beat a S/C'd engine of the same HP all day long.
Just like darius said the Z has been outperforming the viper in straight line performance period. And saying a N/A car will beat a S/C is a blanket statement that holds no warrant. There are alot of variables. And you talk about heat soak, If I am racing someone from a dead or roll I will make sure my car is cool and then run you once maybe twice. We are not talking about running for 1/2 an hour on a autocross track. 10 or 11 sec and I have either won or loss, heat soak is not a issue.

Watch and see, I dont personally like the ZR1 but I bet it hands the viper its ass when they hit the public. It will pull the viper in a drag race or roll by at least 2 to 3 lengths. And if the viper goes and gets exhaust and bolt ons like everyone is testing, the Z will get a pulley change, exhaust and tune. Then the viper will be no competiton for the vette. In the past the Viper was king of the hill, huge amounts of perfomance difference than the vette. That is not the case anymore, and I think these are signs that all the rumors are true. The Vipers days are limited.
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Then why does a stock SRT get walked soo hard by a stock 06 Z? Because of just the weight? I'm guessing the new ZR1 is going to kick the shit outta the 600hp SRT just as the older one did. Maybe not much if anything on a road course but for stoplight street races and 1/4 it will be significantly faster. The car is going to be stupid fast once people start modding them, thought I heard somewhere GM was getting up to 850hp out of that motor.
Last I checked the SRT was a fairly good match for a Z06. Granted the Z06 has a slight advantage in being lighter but I think in the 1/4 mile the times were within a tenth of a second from each other.

As for the ZR1 vs the 2008 Viper, well there are some changes to both. The 08 Viper got a hp boost to 600 hp, while the ZR1 added a Supercharger which added a whole bunch of weight to the car. From what I have read I think the weight to hp ratio's match up between the two cars quite well.
However, I think the Viper's fatter tires will mean the difference. Greater ability to get traction is key!
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Guys..the ZR1 got caught sleeping..everyone ( including my self) thought the 2008 Viper was gonna be 585 crank HP and dyno 510 rwhp and trapp maybe 125-127..( about 1 mph higher than an average Z06)

Even Chevy beleaved this as well..

Instead what we got in the 2008 viper is a under rated monster..

Look at the stock dyno's so far all on differant dynojets

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Guys..At a 15% drive train loss this equates to 630-640 crank HP...at the typical Viper 12% drive train loss..This 2008 BEASTE is every bit of 620 crank HP...

But it's under rated at 600 crank HP..600 crank HP minus 10% drive train loss is 540 rwhp SAE....

So if the engine really is 600 HP then it's really only losing 9% through the drive train..

So like I said..An honest 620 crank HP beaste is what weve recieved from SRT guys...


None of this expected this as well as Chevy..And the ZR1 got caught sleeping..

did any of you expect a bone stock 2008 Viper to trap 129 mph on the guys third pass?????? Did any of you expect the 2008 SRT10 to touch 135 or 137 mph with just intake/exhaust mods???????

The 2008 Viper is a 129 PLUS mph trapping car guys...While the 2003-2006 SRT10's are 121 mph PLUS trapping cars.....


The 2008 Viper is simply a beaste and were all gonna be amazed here shortly ( including chevy with they're 3350 pound 620 HP supercharged ZR1)

Wich will be faster??????? Well I hope the ZR1 hits atleaste 550 rwhp SAE..That would be around 625 crank by the Vipers standards... 550 rwhp SAE plus more agressive gearing and a 100 lb lighter car will all help the C6Z06...But were talking 1-2 mph here...
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Last I checked the SRT was a fairly good match for a Z06. Granted the Z06 has a slight advantage in being lighter but I think in the 1/4 mile the times were within a tenth of a second from each other.

As for the ZR1 vs the 2008 Viper, well there are some changes to both. The 08 Viper got a hp boost to 600 hp, while the ZR1 added a Supercharger which added a whole bunch of weight to the car. From what I have read I think the weight to hp ratio's match up between the two cars quite well.
However, I think the Viper's fatter tires will mean the difference. Greater ability to get traction is key!
Much more than a tenth! Like Mystic said, add a pulley, tune and longtubes and it's gonna be very fast. I would guess it will run high 10's bone stock, especially at the right track. With those mods and DR's the car will see high 9's. I like the car but for the price difference I'd rather mod my 07.
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Any predictions on quarter mile...

I think Car and Driver just did an article on the new ZR1 and it went 11 seconds flat. They did not disclose the mile per hour.

Others on here (Joelcool) mentioned the issue with heat soak. I've owned and driven regularly a few supercharged cars, and all of them suffered from heat soak when they were driven hard.

The Eaton supercharger is nick named the "heaton" because it generates a lot of heat. But the Eaton in this ZR1 is supposedly a new design that's more efficient than previous designs. So maybe GM has engineered some ways to minimize that issue.
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Guys..the ZR1 got caught sleeping..everyone ( including my self) thought the 2008 Viper was gonna be 585 crank HP and dyno 510 rwhp and trapp maybe 125-127..( about 1 mph higher than an average Z06)

Even Chevy beleaved this as well..

Instead what we got in the 2008 viper is a under rated monster..

Look at the stock dyno's so far all on differant dynojets

-546
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-545
-543

Guys..At a 15% drive train loss this equates to 630-640 crank HP...at the typical Viper 12% drive train loss..This 2008 BEASTE is every bit of 620 crank HP...

But it's under rated at 600 crank HP..600 crank HP minus 10% drive train loss is 540 rwhp SAE....

So if the engine really is 600 HP then it's really only losing 9% through the drive train..

So like I said..An honest 620 crank HP beaste is what weve recieved from SRT guys...


None of this expected this as well as Chevy..And the ZR1 got caught sleeping..

did any of you expect a bone stock 2008 Viper to trap 129 mph on the guys third pass?????? Did any of you expect the 2008 SRT10 to touch 135 or 137 mph with just intake/exhaust mods???????

The 2008 Viper is a 129 PLUS mph trapping car guys...While the 2003-2006 SRT10's are 121 mph PLUS trapping cars.....


The 2008 Viper is simply a beaste and were all gonna be amazed here shortly ( including chevy with they're 3350 pound 620 HP supercharged ZR1)

Wich will be faster??????? Well I hope the ZR1 hits atleaste 550 rwhp SAE..That would be around 625 crank by the Vipers standards... 550 rwhp SAE plus more agressive gearing and a 100 lb lighter car will all help the C6Z06...But were talking 1-2 mph here...
I would like to see the LS7/9 on a engine dyno and the SRT10 as well. forget the driveline losses. we've seen the whp dynos what are the motors making?
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I would like to see the LS7/9 on a engine dyno and the SRT10 as well. forget the driveline losses. we've seen the whp dynos what are the motors making?
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The 2008 Viper is a 129 PLUS mph trapping car guys...

I didn't think 129 "plus" was the norm. The highest mile per hour I've read from a verified stock 2008 Viper was 126 mph. What have other articles pulled off for ET and MPH? I wondering about actual magazine names and their results.
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