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Old February 11th, 2014, 03:53 PM   #21
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Doing a project like this myself why did you guys choose to merge the primary's close instead of further down stream? Looks good in for results!
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Doing a project like this myself why did you guys choose to merge the primary's close instead of further down stream? Looks good in for results!
Thats not the complete header, a try y style header merges to parts of the primaries into a single collector. In the pic I do not have the Collector bolted on to either of the M&M's or the ARH's.

Not sure if I did a good job of explaining that or not, the total merge/collector point is further down stream.
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Thats not the complete header, a try y style header merges to parts of the primaries into a single collector. In the pic I do not have the Collector bolted on to either of the M&M's or the ARH's.

Not sure if I did a good job of explaining that or not, the total merge/collector point is further down stream.
No I understand that but from what I have seen these cars seem to like longer primary's like Toddy's header config and just wondering why they went this way?
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No I understand that but from what I have seen these cars seem to like longer primary's like Toddy's header config and just wondering why they went this way?
Have you actually seen one of Toddy's new designs on an independent dyno, SAE corrected? I only say this because I was just running his old ARH Bad Boys Series Headers on my car and while they made great power they didn't make what was advertised (none of them usually match up to the marketing). I'm not saying you won't make big power with them but I will be interested to see what your actual car makes corrected on the same dyno you used before you installed them.

Try Y's (Ballengers, and M&M's) have put up better track numbers than the Old ARH design. I have no idea what Toddy's will make as I also don't know what these new Big Primary M&M's will make, but I can assure you I have used the same dyno with the same correction factor for every single mod I have made and will probably have one of the only cars that has had two name brand Viper headers on the same car, same dyno, with in a 3 month period.
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Have you actually seen one of Toddy's new designs on an independent dyno, SAE corrected? I only say this because I was just running his old ARH Bad Boys Series Headers on my car and while they made great power they didn't make what was advertised (none of them usually match up to the marketing). I'm not saying you won't make big power with them but I will be interested to see what your actual car makes corrected on the same dyno you used before you installed them.

Try Y's (Ballengers, and M&M's) have put up better track numbers than the Old ARH design. I have no idea what Toddy's will make as I also don't know what these new Big Primary M&M's will make, but I can assure you I have used the same dyno with the same correction factor for every single mod I have made and will probably have one of the only cars that has had two name brand Viper headers on the same car, same dyno, with in a 3 month period.
No I don't have a set of Toddy's and don't know for sure which design makes more power and that's why I asked the question What kind of differences in track numbers did you see, I put more faith in that then dyno's anyway.
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No I don't have a set of Toddy's and don't know for sure which design makes more power and that's why I asked the question What kind of differences in track numbers did you see, I put more faith in that then dyno's anyway.
Well we have the record at the Texas mile and won Hastings last year. I also believe that we also have the fastest quarter mile but that's hard to say. That's why we make them this way. There is power under the curve as well as peek power that all make a difference. We have had very good luck with this design and can also install them yourself.
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Well we have the record at the Texas mile and won Hastings last year. I also believe that we also have the fastest quarter mile but that's hard to say. That's why we make them this way. There is power under the curve as well as peek power that all make a difference. We have had very good luck with this design and can also install them yourself.
Thanks I already have a set of your 1 3/4" on the car along with my own exhaust
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Old February 13th, 2014, 09:38 AM   #28
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I'll go ahead and update this thread as well with last nights work.

Love the V band clamps and the slip fit connections. Mitch killed it on these!





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That's sick, cant wait to hear a clip
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Beautiful! Dig the V clamp setup. Aluminum or SS exhaust?
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Thanks guys, It's SS I believe, I'm sure Matt or Mitch can chime in with what coating they are using. Hope to get it fired up this weekend.
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Flatout....looking forward to to seeing how this works out. I'm exspecting good Gaines. The Gen4/Gen5 heads are very good stock. Now if we could get a tune I'm sure there is another 25-35rwhp hiding in there. These cars are going to be SOOOOOO close to 650rwhp, NA with BOLT-ONs. I'm not sure any production car can say that. Sure, many can do it with FI but to do it NA is a credit to the design team.
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Flatout....looking forward to to seeing how this works out. I'm exspecting good Gaines. The Gen4/Gen5 heads are very good stock. Now if we could get a tune I'm sure there is another 25-35rwhp hiding in there. These cars are going to be SOOOOOO close to 650rwhp, NA with BOLT-ONs. I'm not sure any production car can say that. Sure, many can do it with FI but to do it NA is a credit to the design team.
I think tuning is going to rip open the NA potential of these motors and your going to see north of 650Whp easily!
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I think tuning is going to rip open the NA potential of these motors and your going to see north of 650Whp easily!
You could be right. But I'm not sure about easily. I hate to over estimate.

A good cam is needed badly too. But I don't think the aftermarket would ever do it. It would be nice to get the OE supplier to make a nice fat street cam and a set of roller rockers. Then I wouldn't be surprised to see north of 700rwhp, all motor and 93 pump gas. 725rwhp all motor in an all out built motor, big cube, stroker ect) effort on pump gas would be possible I think. It just goes to show how badly these cars are choked to death from the fed regulations.

NA motors never pick up power as easily as a boosted motor. So Gaines start to get tougher.

But for reference a Gen 2 can go from low 400rwhp to 600rwhp. So I suppose its not out of the question to go from low 500rwhp to 700rwhp. It def give me hope to think these things can break 700rwhp all motor. We just need the aftermarket to jump on board or it will never happen.
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You could be right. But I'm not sure about easily. I hate to over estimate.

A good cam is needed badly too. But I don't think the aftermarket would ever do it. It would be nice to get the OE supplier to make a nice fat street cam and a set of roller rockers. Then I wouldn't be surprised to see north of 700rwhp, all motor and 93 pump gas. 725rwhp all motor in an all out built motor, big cube, stroker ect) effort on pump gas would be possible I think. It just goes to show how badly these cars are choked to death from the fed regulations.

NA motors never pick up power as easily as a boosted motor. So Gaines start to get tougher.

But for reference a Gen 2 can go from low 400rwhp to 600rwhp. So I suppose its not out of the question to go from low 500rwhp to 700rwhp. It def give me hope to think these things can break 700rwhp all motor. We just need the aftermarket to jump on board or it will never happen.
If the tuning solution allows for a non cam in cam setup I think easily would be an appropriate word to get over 650Rwhp! I have my fingers crossed.
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If the tuning solution allows for a non cam in cam setup I think easily would be an appropriate word to get over 650Rwhp! I have my fingers crossed.
Me too.
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I honestly think with a exhaust like this, and big pri header and some intake tricks even without tuning I'm hoping to tickle that 650Whp mark this year!
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I honestly think with a exhaust like this, and big pri header and some intake tricks even without tuning I'm hoping to tickle that 650Whp mark this year!
On the intake side get a pair of Pentstar V6 TB's. I posted the pic earlier. Larger TB's have always been with around 10rwhp on Vipers. But with these killer heads, it should be ATLEAST that, maybe a touch more....assuming the Venom Controler doesn't freak out.
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