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Old November 24th, 2011, 06:41 AM   #1
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Sal, Can I use this in place of my AEM and maintain the obd II for inspection with out having to switch back to obd II, injectors, o2 sensors for inspection? Thanks, Doug. By the way, Happy Thanksgiving and congrats on your accomplishments with your Viper!
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ProEFI no longer makes the PlugnPlay harness because they canít get the connectors from AEM or AEM canít get them or wonít sell them or something to that effect. My guys are working on an extra engine harness that I have in order to rewire 27+ extra wires to make it a plug and play. Itís a pain in the ass. ProEFI doesnít know when they can get the connectors in- maybe 6 months or more. Sorry for the bad news guys.
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Thanks Doug. Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.

Next time I talk to Jason @ ProEFI, I'll ask him about the OBDII compatibility as I'm not sure about that aspect.

With the ProEFI, the factory ECU is retained for controlling the dash gauges and alternator so there is a possibility it can be made to pass an OBDII inspection.
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ProEFI no longer makes the PlugnPlay harness because they canít get the connectors from AEM or AEM canít get them or wonít sell them or something to that effect. My guys are working on an extra engine harness that I have in order to rewire 27+ extra wires to make it a plug and play. Itís a pain in the ass. ProEFI doesnít know when they can get the connectors in- maybe 6 months or more. Sorry for the bad news guys.
I spoke to Jason yesterday and he said he is working on sourcing his own connectors and building the harness in-house. I'll let you know when I find more information.
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Sal, you're the man. Thanks for helping out the Viper community.
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It doesn't pertain to ProEFI as they don't sell the Viper stuff in pieces (or I would probably offer my own kit based on the ECU, or at least a harness), but I do have plenty of PNP looms in stock for various setups. I have remaining stock of the AEM patch harnesses and it is true those are out of production but once they are gone I will be rolling out my new PNP adapter which is going to be far superior to what I have been able to do using the OEM based bulkhead connector.
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It doesn't pertain to ProEFI as they don't sell the Viper stuff in pieces (or I would probably offer my own kit based on the ECU, or at least a harness), but I do have plenty of PNP looms in stock for various setups. I have remaining stock of the AEM patch harnesses and it is true those are out of production but once they are gone I will be rolling out my new PNP adapter which is going to be far superior to what I have been able to do using the OEM based bulkhead connector.
Is the AEM patch harness the one that is approximately 8-10" long with all blue colored wires?
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Is the AEM patch harness the one that is approximately 8-10" long with all blue colored wires?
Yes that is the one that is now out of production. I have a few left I have been using up on some PNP kits, but after that I will be rolling out my new custom connector which forms the basis for the new Viper PNP looms coming out (probably debut first with the new AEM Infinity-10 but also carry over to my current Pectel and MoTeC kits). Functionally it will be the same of course, but will just be much cleaner, gold plated pins, no splices onto the middle of a patch harness, no soldering wires onto pins not designed for wires, etc.

I could have gotten the OEM connectors with a huge buy in, but what at first seemed like a very bad thing (losing the supply of patch harnesses/connectors) instead forced me to come up with something that will be a lot better (and no more supply issues). Good old silver lining I suppose!

Congrats on your recent 1/8th mile hit (I assume recent anyway). Car is moving out!
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Yes that is the one that is now out of production. I have a few left I have been using up on some PNP kits, but after that I will be rolling out my new custom connector which forms the basis for the new Viper PNP looms coming out (probably debut first with the new AEM Infinity-10 but also carry over to my current Pectel and MoTeC kits). Functionally it will be the same of course, but will just be much cleaner, gold plated pins, no splices onto the middle of a patch harness, no soldering wires onto pins not designed for wires, etc.

I could have gotten the OEM connectors with a huge buy in, but what at first seemed like a very bad thing (losing the supply of patch harnesses/connectors) instead forced me to come up with something that will be a lot better (and no more supply issues). Good old silver lining I suppose!

Congrats on your recent 1/8th mile hit (I assume recent anyway). Car is moving out!
Thanks. The 1/8 mile run was last month and the partial 1/4 run was last Sunday.

That is great to know you are working on a solution. I like your idea of eliminating the splicing in the patch harness. That will make for a much cleaner installation.

I haven't heard about the AEM Infinity-10. I will check AEM's website for specs.
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Yes that is the one that is now out of production. I have a few left I have been using up on some PNP kits, but after that I will be rolling out my new custom connector which forms the basis for the new Viper PNP looms coming out (probably debut first with the new AEM Infinity-10 but also carry over to my current Pectel and MoTeC kits). Functionally it will be the same of course, but will just be much cleaner, gold plated pins, no splices onto the middle of a patch harness, no soldering wires onto pins not designed for wires, etc.
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I could have gotten the OEM connectors with a huge buy in, but what at first seemed like a very bad thing (losing the supply of patch harnesses/connectors) instead forced me to come up with something that will be a lot better (and no more supply issues). Good old silver lining I suppose!

Congrats on your recent 1/8th mile hit (I assume recent anyway). Car is moving out!
John what do you offer for a gen 4 controller? I'm sick of the issues with the venom controller going into limp mode every time I drag race it?
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Sal,

Since I know you just spent money on the Pro EFI box it would probably be better for your pocket book if you didn't look at the infinity 10. Comparing that unit to anything on the market today is like comparing a Vec 1 to a Motec.

There are going to be some amazing products becoming available to anyone that runs that unit, the possibilities are stellar and its going to cost the same as the old Viper AEM unit and maybe cheaper.
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John what do you offer for a gen 4 controller? I'm sick of the issues with the venom controller going into limp mode every time I drag race it?

Currently I have Pectel and MoTeC kits for the Gen4, both highly capable but also not cheap.

The Gen4 platform will be one of the first I release in PNP format with the new AEM Infinity-10 and that kit is going to be roughly the cost of current Gen3 packages (or about half of my cheapest option above).

I guess it all depends on how soon you want something!

Are we ever going to tune some cars?
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Currently I have Pectel and MoTeC kits for the Gen4, both highly capable but also not cheap.

The Gen4 platform will be one of the first I release in PNP format with the new AEM Infinity-10 and that kit is going to be roughly the cost of current Gen3 packages (or about half of my cheapest option above).

I guess it all depends on how soon you want something!

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put me down for the new AEM when you get it. as soon as thats ready, i need a gen 2, Gen 3 and a gen 4 tuned. ---and a challenger srt8 if you can do a Diablosport!
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Great thread with lots of good info. $4200 for the Pro128 unit with the fuel kit or CAN display is quite the deal err steal I should say.

It's also nice to finally see a solid and expanding tuning option to bridge the gap between choosing either Motec or AEM.
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What would be the advantages of running the new AEM over and older AEM? Should I upgrade or just stay where I am at?
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Hi its Carl from England. My AEM equipped Gen TT car has been in storage for a couple of years. One of our viper tech guys was telling me of issues with the early AEM controllers. Can you offer any input please?

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What would be the advantages of running the new AEM over and older AEM? Should I upgrade or just stay where I am at?
I'm curious to know this, and if the newest AEM Infinity can compete with a Pectal.
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What would be the advantages of running the new AEM over and older AEM? Should I upgrade or just stay where I am at?
Well this may be a bit confusing as there are two new AEM products right now as it pertains to Vipers. The first is the V2 AEM EMS PNP kit available through RSI, which brings a few improvements to the table (better hardware, better software, better logging) but was not really developed to be a huge "feature" upgrade over the V1 AEM as much as it was to fill a gap left by the discontinuation of the AEM V1.

The second product that is in development are kits based around the new AEM Infinity-10 platform, which is a revolutionary new piece of hardware. This will bring a ton of new features to the table, including but not limited to: speed based traction control, flex fuel, lots of different boost control strategies, safety strategies, fast communications, tiny weather resistant packaging and insane flexibility. This is still in the very early stages of development/testing so don't expect anything to be released till early 2012.

To upgrade or not, depends on if you are having issues currently (and may just want improved hardware via V2 kit), or are wanting some new features that your AEM V1 doesn't have (waiting for Infinity-10 might be a good idea).


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Hi its Carl from England. My AEM equipped Gen TT car has been in storage for a couple of years. One of our viper tech guys was telling me of issues with the early AEM controllers. Can you offer any input please?

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There have been some issues with certain AEM 1500U box on the Viper. Some of it can be related to grounding (basically the grounding circuitry that normally goes to the stock Dodge PCM may not be sufficient for the AEM when using a lot of extra accessories), and then as well to some poor quality control/manufacturing issues that have since been corrected. The only thing you can really do is get the car out, drive it/evaluate it and make sure it all is running top notch (preferably in the hands of a good tuner).

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I'm curious to know this, and if the newest AEM Infinity can compete with a Pectal.
That is a question I cannot answer till I get a lot of testing in with the Infinity-10, but so far on paper and in early testing it looks extremely promising. The Pectel is an impressive piece of hardware/software, which integrates with the Viper VERY well. If the AEM Infinity-10 measures up to that, and is about half the cost, then I think we will have a winner on our hands.
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I'm curious to know this, and if the newest AEM Infinity can compete with a Pectal.
Honestly I have to concur with John above. On the Spec Sheet, the Infinity-10 looks to be one hell of a controller. However, everyone also needs to understand that specifications don't always tell the whole story. It needs to have the support, software, quality, and integration capabilities to back it all up, or it is just the automotive equivalent of the worlds fastest personal computer....... running on dial-up.

Processing speed also doesn't tell the whole story, which is one item they are pushing on it. Example: Look at the speed of a Windows based PC compared to an Apple PC. If they are running similar processor speeds, a Mac is considerably faster. The same can go for engine controllers. If they are running a bloated operating system, processor speed compared to another type of module and software is not really apples to apples. On the same note, look at our own archaic JTEC controllers. Other than logging, do you notice ANY perceivable lag when driving? NO. And those are quite slow by comparison to pretty much anything else available these days. Logging is really what eats up all of the processing power, which does not have an effect on how your car will run. Don't fall into the trap thinking that it will run "better" because of something like "processing power". MoTeC runs a processor about 1/6th the speed of the Infinity, and Pectel runs a processor about 1/3rd the speed. I can't think of a time when I ever felt a need for a faster processor in either. It is the logging aspect that needs the processing power, not the engine controlling.

The logging features on the infinity do certainly look to be world-class. Assuming the analysis software matches, it would be about on par with the upper-end logging systems that can be integrated into Pectel/Motec, but it would be on-board.

In the end, even if it does prove to be a very nice and reliable, well rounded system with software capabilities on par with other systems, it still comes down to personal preference and the intended use of the car.

The strong suites of Pectel & Motec is their advanced support network and race-derived strategies including Limp Modes, Security, Engine Logs & time-based controls, the integration into other systems such as logging systems, power control systems, telemetry, GPS, Tire Monitors, aerodynamic controls and sensor systems, chassis sensor and data analysis, and above all, class-leading quality. It is unlikely that an AEM product would offer these types of things, since its just not their niche. If any of those are important to you, then your decision is already made. I am also noticing that the Infinity does not appear to have Thermocouple support {directly at least}, PWM and configurable output support, nor internal coil drivers. Also, if you have a V12 application, you still would be looking at Pectel or an expanded Motec.

Personally, it would take a lot. I mean a LOT to pull me away from Pectel on anything that I build. However, that doesn't change the fact that regardless, the ante of affordable engine control solutions just got upped!
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