BC vs MCS - Viper Alley - Dodge Viper Forum -SRT Viper
 
Go Back   Viper Alley - Dodge Viper Forum -SRT Viper » Viper Alley » Viper Discussions - Gen I & II
» Live Feed « · War Room · Graffiti Wall · Arcade · Viper Blogs ·  

Viper Discussions - Gen I & II Discussions of Viper-related subjects covering Gen-I and Gen-II models.

BC vs MCS

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes

BC vs MCS
Old June 17th, 2020, 01:41 PM   #1
Enthusiast
 
Mrama004's Avatar
 
Mrama004 is offline
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 85
Mrama004 is well liked with 194 pointsMrama004 is well liked with 194 points
Rep Power: 0
BC vs MCS

Listen, I get it, there are a billion threads on coilovers. I'm asking anyway...are the MCS coilovers worth the extra money over BC coilovers? 99% street driving, occasional HDPE (less than 1 / year). I'm interested in performance (ride quality, handling precision, overall stability, etc...). I don't really care all that much about lowering the ride height.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old June 17th, 2020, 06:19 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
trick's Avatar
 
trick is offline
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Montana
Posts: 1,299
trick is not afraid of bears with 8039 pointstrick is not afraid of bears with 8039 pointstrick is not afraid of bears with 8039 pointstrick is not afraid of bears with 8039 pointstrick is not afraid of bears with 8039 pointstrick is not afraid of bears with 8039 pointstrick is not afraid of bears with 8039 pointstrick is not afraid of bears with 8039 pointstrick is not afraid of bears with 8039 pointstrick is not afraid of bears with 8039 pointstrick is not afraid of bears with 8039 points
Rep Power: 65
https://www.penskeshocks.com/product...age-1996-2014/
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old June 17th, 2020, 06:34 PM   #3
Landscaping Professional
 
GTS Dean's Avatar
 
GTS Dean is offline
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: New Braunfels, Texas
Posts: 13,371
GTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 points
Rep Power: 426
You won't get into double-adjustable Penskes for less than about $700 per corner. I'm running highly custom-valved 3-ways that cost over $4k 19 years ago.

MCS is a very good alternative to Penske with a lot of installations on frequently tracked Vipers.

BC has got a very flexible design that fits a surprising number of applications without having to do a lot of mix&match of components. A lot of Viper owners run them and I don't think anybody has had a bad thing to say about them.

For your intended application, I would recommend the BC without reservation.
__________________
96 GTS - some exhaust, brake and handling mods.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old June 17th, 2020, 08:26 PM   #4
Enthusiast
 
Mrama004's Avatar
 
Mrama004 is offline
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 85
Mrama004 is well liked with 194 pointsMrama004 is well liked with 194 points
Rep Power: 0
I appreciate the feedback so far. I’ve read bad things about BC in other forums, and generally good things about BCs on viper forums. I keep reading ‘you get what you pay for’ when it comes to coilovers making me think there is some drastically noticeable difference between BCs and the next level in the $3k range. I’ve not experienced the performance of any other shocks other than the stock konis so I’m unable to wrap my head around possible differences. Good to hear more positive feedback for the BCs in this kind of usage.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old June 18th, 2020, 04:17 AM   #5
Senior Member
 
White Out's Avatar
 
White Out is offline
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: San Diego
Posts: 704
White Out made Varsity with 1182 pointsWhite Out made Varsity with 1182 pointsWhite Out made Varsity with 1182 pointsWhite Out made Varsity with 1182 pointsWhite Out made Varsity with 1182 pointsWhite Out made Varsity with 1182 pointsWhite Out made Varsity with 1182 pointsWhite Out made Varsity with 1182 pointsWhite Out made Varsity with 1182 points
Rep Power: 19
I put 30k miles on my BC's, ran down new exotics in the canyons, daily drove the car, tracked it. Nothing can touch them for the dollar. If you're frequently tracking the car and want the most consistency, bump to swift springs or go with a more track oriented coilover (MCS). BC does have 2-way coilovers with external reservoirs available as well.

Message me for specific details.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old July 4th, 2020, 08:37 AM   #6
Enthusiast
 
Mrama004's Avatar
 
Mrama004 is offline
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 85
Mrama004 is well liked with 194 pointsMrama004 is well liked with 194 points
Rep Power: 0
I put BCs on last night and compared to 19 year old 50k mile konis, they are amazing.

Ride height: is it normal for the drivers side to sit 1/4-3/8” lower than passenger side? I set up driver and passenger shock length to be exact the same.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old July 4th, 2020, 12:15 PM   #7
Landscaping Professional
 
GTS Dean's Avatar
 
GTS Dean is offline
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: New Braunfels, Texas
Posts: 13,371
GTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 points
Rep Power: 426
Bushing preload and ride height issues.

Read this thread:
https://www.viperalley.com/forum/vip...t-gen-1-a.html

and lower part of this page:
https://www.viperalley.com/forum/vip...per-god-4.html
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old July 4th, 2020, 02:31 PM   #8
Enthusiast
 
Mrama004's Avatar
 
Mrama004 is offline
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 85
Mrama004 is well liked with 194 pointsMrama004 is well liked with 194 points
Rep Power: 0
Smashing. Thanks Dean!
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old July 5th, 2020, 09:02 PM   #9
Enthusiast
 
Mrama004's Avatar
 
Mrama004 is offline
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 85
Mrama004 is well liked with 194 pointsMrama004 is well liked with 194 points
Rep Power: 0
Dean... I love knowing this...

“ Dodge designs the slotted ears so that the center of the slot on each corner pair should give you very close to your +6F, +1R design settings (GEN 2)”
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old July 5th, 2020, 10:28 PM   #10
Landscaping Professional
 
GTS Dean's Avatar
 
GTS Dean is offline
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: New Braunfels, Texas
Posts: 13,371
GTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 points
Rep Power: 426
Do you have a service manual yet? If so, READ IT. If not, GET ONE.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old July 6th, 2020, 04:18 AM   #11
Kitty Wrangler Denali Owner
 
8.0L>1.8T's Avatar
 
8.0L>1.8T is offline
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 7,640
8.0L>1.8T is not afraid of bears with 8471 points8.0L>1.8T is not afraid of bears with 8471 points8.0L>1.8T is not afraid of bears with 8471 points8.0L>1.8T is not afraid of bears with 8471 points8.0L>1.8T is not afraid of bears with 8471 points8.0L>1.8T is not afraid of bears with 8471 points8.0L>1.8T is not afraid of bears with 8471 points8.0L>1.8T is not afraid of bears with 8471 points8.0L>1.8T is not afraid of bears with 8471 points8.0L>1.8T is not afraid of bears with 8471 points8.0L>1.8T is not afraid of bears with 8471 points
Rep Power: 66
Quote:
Originally Posted by GTS Dean View Post
Do you have a service manual yet? If so, READ IT. If not, GET ONE.
This^^^ should be in the ViperAlley welcome pamphlets to all new users. Not new and don't have or haven't read your service manual? Dog-pile.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old July 6th, 2020, 10:25 AM   #12
Enthusiast
 
Mrama004's Avatar
 
Mrama004 is offline
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 85
Mrama004 is well liked with 194 pointsMrama004 is well liked with 194 points
Rep Power: 0
Have one, didn't consult it yet re bushing pre-load. I had new control arm bushings put on about 2 months ago and didn't notice any ride height differences (i.e. wheel gap differences), although I wasn't really looking for it either until I put the BCs on. The reason I went for BCs to begin with was I was feeling scary rear end yaw after the new bushings were put in on severe highway bumps. I went back to the shop a few times to check over the work and make sure the alignment was right / everything torqued down correctly. After it was confirmed everything was torqued down right and alignment hadnt shifted, my next suspicion was that the shocks were starting to go bad, hence BCs.

I had assumed the shop would have preloaded and fully loaded the control arm bushings correctly as its a common thing, not a viper specific thing. Definitely possible that there was a lapse in judgment on their part.

Either way I'm going back to get new tires installed, and will have an alignment done at that time. I'm going to ask them to de-torque and re-torque the bolts with the control arms compressed just to check this off the list.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old July 6th, 2020, 11:10 AM   #13
Landscaping Professional
 
GTS Dean's Avatar
 
GTS Dean is offline
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: New Braunfels, Texas
Posts: 13,371
GTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 points
Rep Power: 426
You won't need to worry about the front shocks or the rear uppers since you don't have bushings in them any longer. The upper wishbones are definitely a problem for getting at. What I did was pull the tires and put jackstands on slip plates under the wheel studs (nuts on backwards). This allows upper wishbone access.

Torquing the bushings at a ballasted condition improves rebound control. One of the main reasons for using the factory height checking bars is that regardless of tire sidewall height, all readings are done relative to the inner wheel lips across the car. If you're in full compression in the worst of conditions with blown tires, your frame should never hit the pavement causing loss of steering control.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old July 6th, 2020, 11:30 AM   #14
Enthusiast
 
Mrama004's Avatar
 
Mrama004 is offline
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 85
Mrama004 is well liked with 194 pointsMrama004 is well liked with 194 points
Rep Power: 0
Yeah I did something similar when torquing the shock bolts. I used the jack under the lower control arm and slow raised until just after the point the car lifted a bit from the nearest jack stand. Then did all my torquing. My dumdum self didn't have a 23mm socket or whatever the the hell size for the upper control arm bolts, so I moved on and delayed bushing "re-load" to the forthcoming alignment.

P.s. 140 ft-lbs on the rear lower shock bolt was a real MF'er.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old July 6th, 2020, 12:26 PM   #15
Landscaping Professional
 
GTS Dean's Avatar
 
GTS Dean is offline
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: New Braunfels, Texas
Posts: 13,371
GTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 points
Rep Power: 426
7/8"

Last edited by GTS Dean; July 12th, 2020 at 12:35 AM.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old July 11th, 2020, 06:32 PM   #16
Enthusiast
 
Mrama004's Avatar
 
Mrama004 is offline
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 85
Mrama004 is well liked with 194 pointsMrama004 is well liked with 194 points
Rep Power: 0
Well, it wasn't an issue with incorrect preload on the bushings as far as I could tell. I spent the afternoon unloading and retorquing the rear control arm bushings. Before retorquing I compressed the control arm assembly back to ride height. No change in rear ride height difference after going for a drive and letting the shocks settle.

Guessing that was my last move and time to increase the length the left rear shock to compensate for that 3/8” height difference.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old July 12th, 2020, 06:57 PM   #17
Enthusiast
 
Mrama004's Avatar
 
Mrama004 is offline
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 85
Mrama004 is well liked with 194 pointsMrama004 is well liked with 194 points
Rep Power: 0
Update: I don’t get it...

The car is now riding at even height right to left. However, I had to adjust the drivers rear shock collar length (Defining as distance between ride height locking collar to spring perch collar) to be ~7/8” longer than the passenger rear.

The main issue was that, at an equal shock collar length, the drivers rear wheel gap was ~3/8” lower, and the drivers side sill was ~1/4” lower than passenger side.

Yesterday I reset the load on my rear control arm bushings following feedback that incorrect preload could be a contributor. There was no change in ride difference after this.

Last night I reset all my spring preloads to 2mm just to make sure I wasn't dealing with confounding measurements in shock collar length. With consistent preload settings and accurate + equal shock collar length, the drivers rear still ran low.

So today, out of other ideas, I just went ahead and adjusted the rears independently until the car was riding at the same height from driver to passenger side, with ~ 3/8” rake front to back. With the driver rear shock collar length 7/8” longer than passenger rear, my rear wheel well gap, rear side sill height, and rear frame rail to ground height are now equal.

So...WTF... I don’t get it. Also, I’m hoping one of you can tell me if this is a problematic or dangerous set up. Ultimately there is full shock threading visible through the lower sight holes on both rear shocks.

Last edited by Mrama004; July 13th, 2020 at 04:47 AM.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old July 13th, 2020, 04:11 AM   #18
n00b
 
bonilon is offline
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 16
bonilon is unremarkable with 10 points
Rep Power: 0
I'm pleased with my BC's. I noticed an improvement in ride and handling.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old July 13th, 2020, 07:26 AM   #19
Landscaping Professional
 
GTS Dean's Avatar
 
GTS Dean is offline
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: New Braunfels, Texas
Posts: 13,371
GTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 pointsGTS Dean is not afraid of bears with 60375 points
Rep Power: 426
Sometimes you do have to work diagonally to get things evened out. Are you certain that the lower adjustable cups are all set to the same length? Except for the BCs, I there isn't another shock I know of with that extra variable in the equation. Also, not very likely but possible, is that you may have a mis-matched spring in the set.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Old July 13th, 2020, 09:35 AM   #20
Enthusiast
 
Mrama004's Avatar
 
Mrama004 is offline
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 85
Mrama004 is well liked with 194 pointsMrama004 is well liked with 194 points
Rep Power: 0
by diagonal do you mean, for example, adjust front left to modify right rear?

re: cups, I didnt count the threads during initial set up. Reason I did not do that is that I measured shock length from top bolt eye to bottom bolt eye and the length was the same. My assumption was that if the total shock length was the same then the bottom cups would have been set close enough that I'd be in the window of fine tuning.


Re: spring set, my thought was that if the code on the springs match, the springs should be the same rates right?

I get the feeling that I need to suck it up, pull the lower rear shock bolts, undo the lower cups, and match the thread count before re-installing and setting ride height.

F*^K..
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  Viper Alley - Dodge Viper Forum -SRT Viper » Viper Alley » Viper Discussions - Gen I & II

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Viper Alley - Dodge Viper Forum -SRT Viper forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
Insurance
Please select your insurance company (Optional)

Log-in



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Postbit Selector
Switch to Left (legacy) postbit Use Vertical (Legacy) Postbit

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:15 AM.

vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
ViperAlley.com is in no way affiliated with Daimler Chrysler. Dodge, Viper, RT/10, the Viper logo and likeness are registered trademarks of Daimler Chrysler.
The contents of this site are owned by ViperAlley.Com and may not be used or reproduced without the express written permission of the Administrator.