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Old December 27th, 2019, 09:53 PM   #1
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Gen 2 Fog lamps.

Thought i would share this link with anyone looking to replace busted fog lamps on their Gen 2 Snake.

They're not the original Hella 302-127-056 Glass model but instead a replica of the originals found on an 87-93 mustang GT, which DOES use the exact same Hella brand glass covers the viper does with the same 302-127-056 part number.

https://www.cjponyparts.com/fog-ligh...-1993/p/FGLA3/

The center of the bulb doesnt have the "HELLA" logo, but instead an "American" logo since its a reproduction.



$15 a piece. With a little oven time on low heat, you should be able to carefully remove the old glass and swap on the new as to keep the mounting tabs on the original housing. If you want to be as close to original as possible, dig around for some original NOS lamps from an 87-93 mustang and do some frankenstein work to get your lamps new again.
Please keep in mind, i just picked up a set myself but i havn't done the swap just yet... there isn't any reason this shouldn't work or fit based on the part numbers alone.

Ill post my results once they show up

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Good to know info for a affordable fix.
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Short update

Took one of my fog lamps apart. One piece of glass i was able to scour on Ebay from an early 80s Volkswagen Polo seemed to have the same 302-127-056 part number. I had ordered this part before i had found the replicas i posted above.

I basically marked the back of the housing for orientation for a few components and then removed the mounting ring that holds the bulb into the housing. I also removed all rubber washers and adjustment rod from the housing and then went ahead and stuck the assembly face down in the oven for about 10 minutes on 170-200 degrees (varies on oven). Try 10 mins first and add more time if it doesn’t come off easy. Surprise surprise though, i found water damage at the bottom on the inside of my lens probably from the cracks in the glass or poor sealant.

The reflective film on the inside is easy to flake off near the edges where the glass seals to the housing, so if you're cleaning it up with a tiny flat-head screwdriver just be aware of this. i might try to take a q-tip and some vinegar to the rusted areas to try to clean it up more after i remove some of the old sealant.

Ill post more pics once i receive the new lamps and transfer the glass over.
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There is a guy selling what he says is an equivalent foglamp on Facebook. He is or was a long time Viper owner, so, he should know what he is talking about. However, the backs of the lamps are not equivalent to Viper, I think. Here is a link in case it could be of any interest to you. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1439...5540693069303/
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There is a guy selling what he says is an equivalent foglamp on Facebook. He is or was a long time Viper owner, so, he should know what he is talking about. However, the backs of the lamps are not equivalent to Viper, I think. Here is a link in case it could be of any interest to you. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1439...5540693069303/
Thanks for the link. I dont do FB though.

Ive found lamps that already work (the glass part), i just need to swap them to the original housings pretty much.
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If you wanna protect your lights, lamin-x has a pretty good protectant film you can put on them.
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Are the oem fog light covers that sit in front of the fog lamp worth using? I was going to go that route, but if they’re not worth bothering with, then the lamin-x film would be my next choice.

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Great info and pics Lunchbox! Has anyone gone the route of using the GenIII foglights on the Gen2? I seem to recall this was an option some took as few yeara ag but requiring a little wiring work to get the GenIII fog light connectors to work. Any ideas?
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Are the oem fog light covers that sit in front of the fog lamp worth using? I was going to go that route, but if they’re not worth bothering with, then the lamin-x film would be my next choice.
What year is your Viper? The lens covers ended in 99. You'll have to cut three slots in the bumper cover if you want to use them on 99-02.

I like the lens covers. I think they look better and they are still available from Dodge. They fade just like the headlights but the Lamin-x kit comes with film for the covers as well as for the fog lights and headlights.
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What year is your Viper? The lens covers ended in 99. You'll have to cut three slots in the bumper cover if you want to use them on 99-02.

I like the lens covers. I think they look better and they are still available from Dodge. They fade just like the headlights but the Lamin-x kit comes with film for the covers as well as for the fog lights and headlights.
I've got an 01, so i guess ill have to make the small cuts in the bumper to "snap" them in it seems. I was curious about that but i hadn't really looked too close at the bumper just yet.

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Great info and pics Lunchbox! Has anyone gone the route of using the GenIII foglights on the Gen2? I seem to recall this was an option some took as few yeara ag but requiring a little wiring work to get the GenIII fog light connectors to work. Any ideas?
I used the GEN-III fog lights in my 01 GTS. Like them a lot better. Direct bolt-in...just have to change the wiring plug. No biggie.
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I've got an 01, so i guess ill have to make the small cuts in the bumper to "snap" them in it seems. I was curious about that but i hadn't really looked too close at the bumper just yet.
Think twice about that. If you sell someday lens covers on an 01 will raise suspicions - was it wrecked? Do you have the original unmodified "un-butchered" bumper cover? and no matter what you say it won't matter to the buyer. I'd either find a earlier bumper cover and swap it or just Lamin-x the lights.

If you're gonna keep the Viper to your death like I am then it's not as much of an issue.
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Think twice about that. If you sell someday lens covers on an 01 will raise suspicions - was it wrecked? Do you have the original unmodified "un-butchered" bumper cover? and no matter what you say it won't matter to the buyer. I'd either find a earlier bumper cover and swap it or just Lamin-x the lights.

If you're gonna keep the Viper to your death like I am then it's not as much of an issue.
Yeah good point... I plan to keep the car forever. Car isnt pristine, its turbo'd now but i made a point not to cut up the car to make it all fit so whats the point of straying from that idea in general. The $20 Lamin-x pricetag beats $150+ covers and modifying the bumper. I've already got the fog lights off currently so there is no better time to do it.

Thanks for the sanity check Chuck.
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Fog lamps came in. They’re an exact replica of the viper ones aside from brackets and the bulb mounting ring on the back (which could be swapped on). The one shown has a dent in it and im not happy about that. I'll have to contact them and exchange if possible.

Anyway, one image is showing the new lamp and the old lamp with a glass housing i managed to find that has the same part number as the original glass.

Now I’m at a bit of a crossroads... my housing is trashed but has the right brackets. While the new lamp doesn’t have them. In my case one of the fog lamps inside its already pretty trashed from water and looks like someone has already replaced the glass on these things before due to the dis-coloring on the back of the housing (too much heat in the oven probably)

Seems the new lamps are lighter than the viper ones slightly.
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Mine arrived yesterday from CJ Pony Parts too it looks great. No lettering at all which is fine by me. I'll tackle taking apart the old lens from the housing this weekend and see how it goes.
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Mine arrived yesterday from CJ Pony Parts too it looks great. No lettering at all which is fine by me. I'll tackle taking apart the old lens from the housing this weekend and see how it goes.
They're soo much cleaner and brighter looking. Have to admit the glass seems to be just better all around compared to the oem glass so far. Im going to add the lamin-x as Chuck mentioned once i have mine back together.

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I opted for re using the tabs from my original housing on the new light since the original was toast. Need to swap the bulb ring on still. Only 6 tack welds on low heat and it’s good as new

Edit, decided maybe i wont swap the bulb ring on. The spacing between the 3 prongs is slightly off. You could grind slightly or file the bulb ring housing a tiny bit to get the tabs to line up with the CJ Pony parts housing, but... honestly its not even really needed. If you dont drive your viper in the rain and you generally keep it out of the elements, no point then, just use the mounting interface that it comes with.
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