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Brickhead August 17th, 2017 07:50 AM

Vented side sills, exhaust wrap?
 
New Corsa exhaust & cat delete pipes heading my way from JonB. Thanks Jon!

- 2000 GTS

Thoughts on venting sills (pics possibly) or wrapping exhaust?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions & Dave 6666, thanks for your smart-ass comments, what you gots...

Brickhead

GTS Dean August 17th, 2017 07:59 AM

If you are dropping the cats, you won't need to worry about venting the sills.

85vett August 17th, 2017 11:08 AM

Agree with GTS Dean. No cats should mean that you shouldn't need anything extra done to keep the temps down.

Good read here - Dodge Viper GTS Exhaust Heat HeatShield Products

It's debatable on the effects of the wrap but I thought it was a pretty good article.

For side sill vents, these look nice. - https://www.speedtactics.com/various...qr-cdxnm-h8fpb

These are also debatable on effectiveness and also some concerns around debris being allowed to enter the openings and causing potential challenges.

Dave666 will most likely chime in with his mods which seem to work real well. I'm to chicken *&^% to try it though.

BlackSnake99 August 17th, 2017 11:40 AM

I threw my cats out into the woods (after they melted the plastic door sill on the passenger side) and wrapped my exhausts in a header blanket. Despite all predictions of doom and destruction, everything has been just fine.

Sill temps just barely above 100* after a spirited drive on a hot day.

Brickhead August 17th, 2017 05:49 PM

Advise/info/links much appreciated oh viper gods...

dave6666 August 17th, 2017 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackSnake99 (Post 4424522)
Despite all predictions of doom and destruction, everything has been just fine.

Only you predict gloom and doom drama queen.

Anywho, here are some actual acts about the matter:

The wrap can retain moisture, which can accelerate corrosion, and can trap organic matter over time that will make the typically non combustible wrap, combustible. It has caught fire before on Gen 2s.

Now to clarify why drama mama's car "has been just fine," the car must be 1) driven, or 2) gotten wet.



Too soon drama mama garage queenie?

BlackSnake99 August 17th, 2017 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dave6666 (Post 4425194)
Too soon drama mama garage queenie?

:rofl:

slowturbocar August 17th, 2017 07:44 PM

If you wrap the exaust use titanim header wrap, i currently own 4 turbo SBF mustangs and all have it (hot side and down pipe) for years and none have rusted thru or cought on fire. All turbo cars i build for guys use it and no report of issues ever with it. I would definitely vent the side seals but without cats the wrap might not be necessary.

1badvr4 August 17th, 2017 07:46 PM

Skip the wrap unless you want to trap moisture.

BlackSnake99 August 17th, 2017 07:51 PM

Yeah. I'll let you guys know when the stainless steel or the aluminum corrode through from the trapped moisture.

1badvr4 August 17th, 2017 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackSnake99 (Post 4425258)
Yeah. I'll let you guys know when the stainless steel or the aluminum corrode through from the trapped moisture.

The previous owner had it on my Corsa exhaust (Stainless) for about 6 or so years and it now has minor surface corrosion. The unwrapped portion looks better and has no corrosion. I have driven the car in the rain a few times...

dave6666 August 17th, 2017 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 1badvr4 (Post 4425266)
The previous owner had it on my Corsa exhaust (Stainless) for about 6 or so years and it now has minor surface corrosion. The unwrapped portion looks better and has no corrosion. I have driven the car in the rain a few times...

You have to remember Jack pulls boogers from rich people's noses for a living. He is ignorant to the fact that stainless steel is 70% iron. Iron oxide being rust. Or that aluminum corrodes easily with moisture trapped. The factory side sills are a great example. Yet the boogers blind you from all that...

Also, what traps moisture and organic matter is a fibrous structure. Ever wonder why the engineers that designed the cars wrapped that glass mat in the factory sill insulation in stainless steel to keep the moisture and dirt off of it?

Stupid fucking engineers. Probably have too many boogers on their chins :lol:

BlackSnake99 August 17th, 2017 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1badvr4 (Post 4425266)
The previous owner had it on my Corsa exhaust (Stainless) for about 6 or so years and it now has minor surface corrosion. The unwrapped portion looks better and has no corrosion. I have driven the car in the rain a few times...

Right. 6 years. Minor surface corrosion. So when it rusts through in 60 years, I'll spend another $300 to replace it.


And I'm not sure what kind of 'organic material' Dave drives through, but by not hacking up my sills, they do what the engineers meant them to do.... Protect the exhaust from road debris. Ironic that the guy who hacks his sills is lecturing me on subverting the factory engineers.

slowturbocar August 17th, 2017 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackSnake99 (Post 4425306)
Right. 6 years. Minor surface corrosion. So when it rusts through in 60 years, I'll spend another $300 to replace it.


And I'm not sure what kind of 'organic material' Dave drives through, but by not hacking up my sills, they do what the engineers meant them to do.... Protect the exhaust from road debris. Ironic that the guy who hacks his sills is lecturing me on subverting the factory engineers.

Im guessing all this debris and contamination and shit that has been mentioned is caused from hacked up side seals that has a direct open window right behind a tire?? Say not so...

ViperTony August 17th, 2017 08:33 PM

The wrap issue was from several years ago when Roe was selling the exhaust wrap blankets that trapped moisture. http://www.roeracing.com/productcart...it-172p203.htm

slowturbocar August 17th, 2017 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperTony (Post 4425362)
The wrap issue was from several years ago when Roe was selling the exhaust wrap blankets that trapped moisture. Side Sill Insulation Kit

So header wrap is more or less susceptible to this problem than the blankets? I've never even seen that before honestly.

ViperTony August 17th, 2017 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by slowturbocar (Post 4425370)
So header wrap is more or less susceptible to this problem than the blankets? I've never even seen that before honestly.

I have no experience with header wrap so :confused:

White Out August 18th, 2017 12:22 AM

No need for the little vents. Just cut the fender liner with a dremel and drill out the rivets on the back then knock it out.

If you're catless, remove the heat shield in the side sill and interior temps are much better.

Brickhead August 18th, 2017 04:36 AM

Was worried he may be a no show.

Dave not only showed up, he kicked down the fucking door & slung boogers!

DAT'S some good shiat! :crazy:

Chuck 98 RT10 August 18th, 2017 06:12 AM

Agree with first few replies. No cat, no need to vent rocker panels.

I drove with cats for about 130,000. Now have 180,000. No problems. No third degree burns.


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