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Old October 2nd, 2016, 07:56 AM   #1
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so you've convinced me to go cat delete....now?

So based on the issue I had with the cats blistering my sills, and all of your feedback I've decided to go cat delete. Couple follow ups:

- should I delete cat only or cat and resonator? concerned about the drone (P.S. I currently have a muffler delete in the rear)
-the factory heat shield in the sill is toast. Should I replace it with Thermo wrap or a space blanket style wrap?


Thanks for all the help and feedback to this point. I would love to see any pics anyone has of doing this process as well.
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No cats, resonators, or rear mufflers is a "straight pipe". That's going to be LOUD. While subjective, you may find the cat and rear muffler delete (keeping resonators) will be on the louder side.

This is what I did for the heat shielding:

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I've got no cats, stock resonator and hollowed out real mufflers. Sounds fantastic.
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I have muffler delete also.
I replaced the cats with Moroso Spirals.
I still have the resonator.
My combo sounds great, subtle rumble at low speeds, awesome growl when getting on it.
I have never been affected by the so-called drone stock or modified. I guess it just never bothered me. I have many miles stock, many muffler delete and then many with spirals. I wish I would have done it all when I first got my Viper 18 years ago.

I have two sets of rockers. I painted the insides of one set with oven paint. The other I painted with heat reflective paint. Dunno if either helped or not. If you ditch the cats you will be able to live without the insulation.
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I have Belanger headers, no cats or resonators and Corsa track exhaust (3" piping and Corsa mufflers). It's loud as hell, but in a good way. No drone whatsoever.

With your muffler delete you will likely have some drone. Borla also has a reputation of producing drone, should you decide to go that route.
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[quote=Stuntman;4092874]No cats, resonators, or rear mufflers is a "straight pipe". That's going to be LOUD. While subjective, you may find the cat and rear muffler delete (keeping resonators) will be on the louder side.



Stuntman - thanks for that link! that is exactly what I was thinking of. I also like all of the other articles related to the GTS on that site!
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I would never wrap the exhaust in the sills. The wrap will absorb organic contaminants over time and become combustible. It has caught fire before on a Viper due to that exact reason. You ever wonder why the factory wrapped the glass fiber insulation in stainless steel? To keep it from soaking up road crap? And yet apparently redneck engineering prevails and we ditch the covering for the glass fiber and call it an upgrade. lol.

A properly built exhaust system and vent system does not require any wrapping other than the OEM pieces.

I also have spirals where that cats go and love the sound of them. My GTS is side exhaust so it's inherently loud due to that conversion, but having tried several combos, the spirals are the best sound without dropping huge coin.
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I would never wrap the exhaust in the sills. The wrap will absorb organic contaminants over time and become combustible. It has caught fire before on a Viper due to that exact reason. You ever wonder why the factory wrapped the glass fiber insulation in stainless steel? To keep it from soaking up road crap? And yet apparently redneck engineering prevails and we ditch the covering for the glass fiber and call it an upgrade. lol.

A properly built exhaust system and vent system does not require any wrapping other than the OEM pieces.

I also have spirals where that cats go and love the sound of them. My GTS is side exhaust so it's inherently loud due to that conversion, but having tried several combos, the spirals are the best sound without dropping huge coin.

Thanks Dave- do those spirals need to be welded on or will they clamp?
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I have them clamped now. But have also welded them. If you clamp them you will need to slot the cuffs with a pencil wheel and use a good quality clamp like Walker.
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Butt-Clamps have worked well for me in sealing up the slip fit connections.
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This is what I did for the heat shielding:

I used the HeatShield wrap as well.



Works really well.

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^^^^^Looks great, hardly any discoloring on the top of the sill in that second pic at all. Jesus doc..repaint?
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OR, just run a perfect tune so your car doesn't need all the add-on crap to mask the heat problem.
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A "perfect tune" will still result in 600*+ EGTs. Enough to bubble the paint in the side sill.

To repeat what I said on DriveViper (where Dave was obliged to object to my article and anything differing to what he's done):


HeatShield Armor & StickyShield is made of fire retardant silica (armor) and fiberglass (stickyshield). You can take a torch directly to the insulation for hours and it will not ignite. As mentioned in the MotoIQ article, I don't like the idea of opening up the side sills or drilling holes in the bottom to vent them, because THAT can cause a fire hazzard from debris and grass getting shoved into the side sill and burnt by the exhaust. I've seen side-exhaust Vipers, Vettes, and Aston Martins catch grass on fire that got stuck in their side sills after going off the track. For me this wasn't a solution.

As far as corrosion goes, yes there is a documented issue with old-school header wrap type heat shielding holding in moisture and especially salt in northern-driven cars increasing corrosion. This was historically a common problem on older hotrods and pre 90's cars with mild steel exhausts with no anti-corrosive coatings when using header wrap. Modern cars and high quality exhausts now use stainless steel which is a lot more durable than mild steel, but header wrap has still caused some issues, albeit less than mild steel.

Old-School header wrap was often installed 'wet', where people would soak the wrap thinking it would 'shrink-fit' onto the exhaust (which is a misconception). This is not a good idea for obvious reasons, but having a woven fabric would collect water, salt, dirt, and debris and has led to a lot of problems.

Heatshield Armor is different from common header wrap because it's insulation is made of silica and not fiberglass, and it has a watertight, strong, protective aluminum outer casing that repels dirt, debis, salt, and water. When installed properly with trimmed edges like in the MotoIQ article, it would be very difficult for the water to reach the insulation due to the outer aluminum 'shield'. The little bit that might get to the silica insulation will be burned off quickly compared to a completely soaked wrap.

HeatShield products has commercial diesel trucks using HeatShield Armor for nearly a decade. These trucks need to be pressure washed regularly for their highway patrol inspections. You can hit Armor with a pressure washer and not have an issue. While hitting the heat shield directly at 3,000psi isn't a good idea, 1,000 psi a few inches away hasn't been a problem.


The Shelby GT350R-C racecar that I drive has had StickyShield on it for close to 2 seasons now, with a 1,000*F+ cat an inch away and the adhesive backing has yet to fail from the heat or by being drenched in rain races. It's actually quite sticky and the aluminum construction is contoured to the chassis and holds its shape and itself in place. For the Viper's C-shaped outer side sill, the aluminum StickyShield actually held itself in place when mock-fitting it. With the adhesive backing, it's not going anywhere.


As expected. Whatever is different or challenges what Dave has done is absolutely wrong and stupid.

I love how Dave always makes claims and states how well his car runs but he does not elaborate on all of the things he has done to to make it work. The reason his OEM heat shields are fine on HIS car is because he does not run cats, and he has significantly vented his side sills by opening up the front and back sides of the side sills and cut a bunch of large holes on the underside of the side sill.

As stated in the article, the OEM cats are huge, restrictive, and create a ton of heat, which is why the OEM heat shields burn and warp. Removing the cats obviously removes this heat source and venting the side sill further improves airflow and reduces heat soak. Since i'm running cats and I don't want water, dirt, and potential fire causing debris inside my side sill, and since I didn't want to hack up my side sill, this was not an option for me.

The biggest problem with a lot of factory components, especially the insulation (generally speaking), is the bean counters. Engineering may have a cool solution but the bean counters get in there and mess it up, which is understandable because the OEM’s need to keep costs down. If a component meets their minimum standards, rarely will a more expensive and better option be chosen. For the Viper, there was pretty low standards on a lot of components and obviously heat shielding was one of them due to all of the complaints from owners.


Conclusion:

-I wouldn't recommend the old-school header wrap on anything. Actually HSP sells wrap but recommends their Armor over the wrap for the above reasons.

-I probably wouldn't recommend wrapping a cheap mild-steel exhaust even in Armor, although I would recommend using StickyShield on the chassis-side of the car.

-High flow cats and especially removing them altogether makes a huge difference in heat.

-For this MotoIQ article, we were dealing with in-cabin and side-sill heat, not addressing the exhaust manifolds or headers which can get up to around 1,000*F. The heat near the flex pipe was 630*F which the armor knocked down to 210*F, while the heat of the exhaust by the diff was 210*F and the Armor knocked it down to 120*F -not much above the 95*F ambient day. These temps are fairly low and far from the failure point of adhesives, but have made a big difference in the temperature of the sill and inside the car.


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I don't know what a tune can do to change the required 900 to 1200 temps for a cat to function properly. Of course, get rid of the cat and you get rid of the temps. Tune has nothing to do with that.
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Works really well.

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