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Old December 24th, 2015, 06:01 AM   #81
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Super Sports are a lot better than Invos in every aspect (especially cornering) except maybe for straight line grip where the soft sidewalls may give the invo a slight advantage. It depends on what you want from your tires, but if straight line dry grip is the most important, there are better tires than either the Invoice or PSS.
The question is 20" tire options for the Viper. Did Michelin start making a Pilot Super Sport that will fit? Last time i checked, they did not. Please provide a link if you have found them.

Invo has been the best option for the street THAT ACTUALLY FITS for a long time. This new MT DR looks promising.
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The question is 20" tire options for the Viper. Did Michelin start making a Pilot Super Sport that will fit? Last time i checked, they did not. Please provide a link if you have found them.

Invo has been the best option for the street THAT ACTUALLY FITS for a long time. This new MT DR looks promising.
Huh...? So this thread IS NOT about all the other "drag tires" in sizes other than 20"?
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The question is 20" tire options for the Viper. Did Michelin start making a Pilot Super Sport that will fit? Last time i checked, they did not. Please provide a link if you have found them.

Invo has been the best option for the street THAT ACTUALLY FITS for a long time. This new MT DR looks promising.
325/25-20
335/30-20
345/30-20

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....ot+Super+Sport
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Huh...? So this thread IS NOT about all the other "drag tires" in sizes other than 20"?
Apparently, its about everything EXCEPT 20" options. Maybe i shoukd change the OP and thread title.
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Good effort. However:


325/25-20 - Narrower than stock * Worthy of consideration though (+rep!)
335/30-20 - Too tall. 28" tires scrub, especially on lowered cars
345/30-20 - Too tall. 28.1" tires scrub, especially on lowered cars

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Good effort. However:


325/25-20 - Narrower than stock
335/30-20 - Too tall. 28" tires scrub, especially on lowered cars
345/30-20 - Too tall. 28.1" tires scrub, especially on lowered cars
For the PSS:

345/30-19 = 27.2" OD 13.8" - Sec Width - 13" TREAD WIDTH
325/30-20 = 26.3" OD 13.2" - Sec Width - 13.1" TREAD WIDTH

The labeled tread widths are useless. The 325/30-20 actually has a wider tread width than the commonly used 345 /30-19, so I think it's a great option for the Viper.

Worth the read to learn a few new things:

How to PROPERLY select and size TIRES for PERFORMANCE > MotoIQ - Automotive Tech, Project Cars, Performance & Motorsports

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345/30-20 - Too tall. 28.1" tires scrub, especially on lowered cars
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345/30-19 = 27.2" OD
Red Snake, I think you're matching wrong. The difference in OD is 0.9" between the 345/20 and the 345/19. The 20 tire will raise the rear of the car .45" and fill tire to fender lip gap by .45". For stock suspension this would simulate lowering the rear suspension about 1/2" not enough to cause rubbing.

I'm running 345/30-20 PSS and yes with the car slammed (tires almost tucked) and hard cornering I have had the tires rub the wheel liners on the track. But, I adjusted the KWs up 3 turns and it stopped rubbing. I have about 3/4" gap rear tire to fender lip now.

PSS also has a 295/20 that fit the front



I've had the 20" 345 Invos and agree the Michelins are a better tire for street/ track. I don't drag race so I'm not speaking for straight line performance, I don't know and I don't care. The Invos looked like they were stretched onto the wheel where the PSS looks like it's filling the space well.
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Red Snake, I think you're matching wrong. The difference in OD is 0.9" between the 345/20 and the 345/19. The 20 tire will raise the rear of the car .45" and fill tire to fender lip gap by .45". For stock suspension this would simulate lowering the rear suspension about 1/2" not enough to cause rubbing.

I'm running 345/30-20 PSS and yes with the car slammed (tires almost tucked) and hard cornering I have had the tires rub the wheel liners on the track. But, I adjusted the KWs up 3 turns and it stopped rubbing. I have about 3/4" gap rear tire to fender lip now.

PSS also has a 295/20 that fit the front


I've had the 20" 345 Invos and agree the Michelins are a better tire for street/ track. I don't drag race so I'm not speaking for straight line performance, I don't know and I don't care. The Invos looked like they were stretched onto the wheel where the PSS looks like it's filling the space well.
Thats good info. Not sure if it will translate to Gen II but sounds promising. I know some have tried 335/30/20 (I believe PS2's) on Gen IIs and had rubbing issues. This is the first i have heard of the SS being available in that size. Definitely worth considering. For my purposes though, the MT DR will be my next choice.
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The pilot sports and super duper sports suck, if you get a street tire get the Invo.
As far as real street tires are concerned Pilots and Corsas are the benchmark. Theres a reason why most super cars and high powered cars come standard with them. A lot of the time the limiting factor is price and fitment, but to say they suck and Invos are better is just foolish.
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As far as real street tires are concerned Pilots and Corsas are the benchmark. Theres a reason why most super cars and high powered cars come standard with them. A lot of the time the limiting factor is price and fitment, but to say they suck and Invos are better is just foolish.
I agree with this as well. The Gallardo came factory with Pirelli PZero Corsas and was pleasantly surprised when the Viper optioned them too.

Gen2 Eibach lowering springs on Sidewinders, 355/19 Corsa on the rear, no rubbing.


I get it, 20" is the min OP wants but I think the 19" will be a reasonable alternative. The 355 IS wider than the 345. Actually I have two sets of 19" wheels tires sitting in my garage right now with the 355 Corsa and the 345 Invo. I'll post shots tomorrow.

The 19/18 Corsas were around $1300 for the set, the 20/20 PSS were around $2500. For 20" rears in 345, The Invo is a thinner 25 series tire where the PSS is a 30 series. The Invo looks and IS a smaller tire.
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That was what I got out of this thread that the invos were Better gripping than ps2 and super sport. I've had ps2s on a few sports cars and liked them except for lasting like 5k miles.
Only had invos for a few k miles on last viper and it made stock power.

I want the car to handle well around turns, I'd like to roadrace it.
I don't drag race at all but on the street I'll be doing a lot more straight line acceleration than hard cornering and that's where I'll do the majority of mileage with the car I bet.

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That was what I got out of this thread that the invos were Better gripping than ps2 and super sport. I've had ps2s on a few sports cars and liked them except for lasting like 5k miles.
Only had invos for a few k miles on last viper and it made stock power.

I want the car to handle well around turns, I'd like to roadrace it.
I don't drag race at all but on the street I'll be doing a lot more straight line acceleration than hard cornering and that's where I'll do the majority of mileage with the car I bet.
Yanni,

Same car, same wheels.
Invo/Super Sports

The Super sports also raised the car about 1/2" and filled the tire to fender gap about 1/2". With the INVOS I used to snag/scrape the rockers driving up the lift, that 1/2" rise actually put me over, doesn't rub anymore and actually looks lower that it did on the Invos.

I think the INVOs in a 345/25-20 fill the wheel well up the same as a 345/30-19. I mention that because it seems like you want to fill the wheel well up first then performance second. So, in a 20" I think the Super Sports cover both aspects.

The only reason I'm running the Invos on the H spokes on the 97 is because they were the cheapest tire I could find for the 19" rear. Again, being cheap on the 97 also the reason I reused the 18" front tires that were on the 18/18 setup. I daily the 97 and would rather NOT be running INVOs and that's on a stock setup. The car is so much more fun to drive with the 19/18 Corsas as a similar price to the Invos.
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20" PS2's rub on a Gen 2.
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Keep the 18" ACRs for road racing and then have a street setup with drag radials. At your power level, you will want drag radials in order to have some fun. When I had the 345/30/19 NT05Rs, they hooked great at 700whp...so I'd recommend an 18/19 setup or 19/19 setup.
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Once again......to steer this back on topic,,,,,,,,


Everyone here knows, understands, acknowledges and agrees that there are a virtual plethora of great choices in a 19" rear wheel for the Viper. That is NOT what was asked in this thread.

If anyone has other ideas for a good 20" tire, please chime in. So far, good options that won't rub include:

Pilot SS in 325/30
Nitto Invo in 345/25
MT DR in 335/25
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M/T drag radials by far....The others won't even compare.
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Bart I will have to ask for your help on tire sizing when I'm ready to order. I'll likely get the drag radial in rear and may not really have much option in sizing though. I like how the invos look better than the michelins in your pics. I don't like a thick tire I want a low profile look. I could lower the car with the coilovers to get rid of wheel gap if need be, but will likely keep it higher to avoid scraping issues on the roads, dislike that even more. The tire sizing and measurements are very confusing. Love how each manufacturer is slightly different on same size tires. Will definitely ask for your expertise there.

Ryan thanks man but I dont want to have 2 sets of wheels/tires, I try to keep the inventory to a minimum. Im not a professional racer, I might go to the track once or twice a year so I want something good all around for street/track or strack use haha.
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Everyone here knows, understands, acknowledges and agrees that there are a virtual plethora of great choices in a 19" rear wheel for the Viper. That is NOT what was asked in this thread.

If anyone has other ideas for a good 20" tire, please chime in. So far, good options that won't rub include:

Pilot SS in 325/30
Nitto Invo in 345/25
MT DR in 335/25
haha thanks I agree with you but know these guys personally

lots of sidetracking

hopefully the thread is helpful to others also. for the record I am sticking with 19&20 and will use the MT DR in the rear, not sure what brand I'll go with up front yet.
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Once again......to steer this back on topic,,,,,,,,


Everyone here knows, understands, acknowledges and agrees that there are a virtual plethora of great choices in a 19" rear wheel for the Viper. That is NOT what was asked in this thread.

If anyone has other ideas for a good 20" tire, please chime in. So far, good options that won't rub include:

Pilot SS in 325/30
Nitto Invo in 345/25
MT DR in 335/25
Sport Cup 2 345/30/20. They may rub when you jack up the car. I'll let you know in a week or so since I just ordered a pair.

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