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Old July 10th, 2015, 12:25 AM   #1
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Are your odometers accurate? Former viper owner says odometer fraud is common..

A gen 1 owner I know says that he disconnects his odometer to keep mileage from accruing. He says it's very easy, and while I find it immoral, he felt is was ok because he kept his car so nice that it was just as good as a 20k mile car.

So this makes me think... just how many people are doing something like this? Obviously no one is going to admit it, but maybe we need to think twice when looking at these low mileage cars, and start looking for signs that perhaps there are really more miles on them than we think.

Should we look close at seat bolster wear? Carpet wear? Rock chips?

I'm not accusing anyone, and I'm sure the majority are honest, but it sounds like something worth thinking about. Mine already has 55k miles so I doubt I'm a victim, but it seems like something we need to keep an eye out for.

Im curious to hear opinions..
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Old July 10th, 2015, 01:24 AM   #2
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Ah, no. 1. it's fraud. 2. If you are that worried about resale, go by paintings or maybe a sculpture.

I personally don't care about mileage as long as I put it one the car and enjoy every mile.
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I can't tell you when it started but I am sure others will know. The computer circa OBDll records the mileage electronically on many newer cars. This is in addition to the odometer reading. When someone goes to buy the car and the two don't match it is a big red flag.

And yes it is immoral.
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Mileage never bothered me. Condition is more important. I've seen some beat up cars with 30k miles, and some pristine ones with over 150k.

A compression/leak down test will give you a fairly decent indicator mileage, a thorough inspection will give more signs.

Ultimately he runs the risk of throwing red flags during an inspection. If the inspector is a dickhead then his VIN could end up on the e-interwebs with a red mark for all of eternity. NSX owners are beyond fanatical on mileage, condition and documentation. You'd think a leaking clutch "subordinate" cylinder is the end of the world over there.
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Ah, no. 1. it's fraud. 2. If you are that worried about resale, go by paintings or maybe a sculpture.

I personally don't care about mileage as long as I put it one the car and enjoy every mile.
Well, I'm not doing it, or looking how to do it, I'm just curious if this is something people have caught others doing with these cars. It seems there are so many low mileage cars, and I know most are legit, but the mileages really are pretty damn low.

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I can't tell you when it started but I am sure others will know. The computer circa OBDll records the mileage electronically on many newer cars. This is in addition to the odometer reading. When someone goes to buy the car and the two don't match it is a big red flag.

And yes it is immoral.
I've never plugged a $1000 diagnostic tool into an obd port when buying a car, have you? I can't imagine most people do

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Mileage never bothered me. Condition is more important. I've seen some beat up cars with 30k miles, and some pristine ones with over 150k.

A compression/leak down test will give you a fairly decent indicator mileage, a thorough inspection will give more signs.

Ultimately he runs the risk of throwing red flags during an inspection. If the inspector is a dickhead then his VIN could end up on the e-interwebs with a red mark for all of eternity. NSX owners are beyond fanatical on mileage, condition and documentation. You'd think a leaking clutch "subordinate" cylinder is the end of the world over there.
I agree that condition is important, but I still wouldn't want someone selling me a car with fraudulent mileage.

And... NSX's are slow they must have nothing better to worry about than clutch cylinders

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wasn't aware the computer of a 2nd gen recorded the mileage, the cluster is analog so I assumed it be hook up the ole drill like in the 70's!
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Your friend must have been a Supra owner before.

Thats the first "mod" they do.....disconnecting the odo. I think its just a fuse, iirc. Whatever the odo states on those things, just place a "1" in front of it for good measure.
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Your friend must have been a Supra owner before.

Thats the first "mod" they do.....disconnecting the odo. I think its just a fuse, iirc. Whatever the odo states on those things, just place a "1" in front of it for good measure.
That's good to know.. I wish cars didn't track mileage but instead total revolutions and hours. Wouldn't that be a better thing to gauge use?
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Look at the brake pedal pad. People sometimes forget that when you have a 20K car on the odo, but the brake pedal pad looks like a 1/4 million mile car, that something is up.
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Look at the brake pedal pad. People sometimes forget that when you have a 20K car on the odo, but the brake pedal pad looks like a 1/4 million mile car, that something is up.
Good idea!
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^This. Maybe add a throat punch for good measure.
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Look at the brake pedal pad. People sometimes forget that when you have a 20K car on the odo, but the brake pedal pad looks like a 1/4 million mile car, that something is up.
On a Viper, the Clutch Pedal Pad is probably a better indicator of mileage.
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Okay, WHY would I have a friend that does this as a friend? The answer to me is I would not do it. hell, I am no saint, but defrauding people is not okay with me on any level. Deliberately hiding something for personal gain is not okay and if they will do it to other folks, they will do it to you as their friend. Same as fucking other women while married-if they do it to their wife, they will fuck you over too. My $.02
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Deliberately hiding something for personal gain is not okay
I've confessed my cam sensor fetish. Does that make me a nice person?
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Okay, WHY would I have a friend that does this as a friend? The answer to me is I would not do it. hell, I am no saint, but defrauding people is not okay with me on any level. Deliberately hiding something for personal gain is not okay and if they will do it to other folks, they will do it to you as their friend. Same as fucking other women while married-if they do it to their wife, they will fuck you over too. My $.02
This isn't some close friend of mine i'm referring to. This is someone i've never even met in person.
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This isn't some close friend of mine i'm referring to. This is someone i've never even met in person.
You are correct-the thread interjected the word friend and I fell for it. For that, I apologize as the word carried by someone else.
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I had a friend that did that on his Viper. I haven't talked to him for 10 years. And yes, he is a POS and so is the guy you know.
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