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Old September 29th, 2014, 06:39 PM   #21
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I'm assuming Dave is looking at the same setup I am? I guess our cars were switched over at some point.
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Old September 29th, 2014, 06:52 PM   #22
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You're probably assuming correctly. Dodge changed the design somewhere along the line but I don't know at what point. My 98' is set up like yours and its factory, but I think I remember reading somewhere some later models still had the bird cage bushing. Dodge probably still had plenty of inventory of the bird cage style and used them anyway as well as using the better designed set up found on our cars.
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Old September 29th, 2014, 07:56 PM   #23
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Yup. My photography skills show the same thing.



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So was there a year model change whereas they stopped using the plastic bird cage? Now that I am the proud owner of 2 of them because I thought I would install one w/ a spare for later.
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Old September 29th, 2014, 08:18 PM   #24
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LOL! Me too Dave. I ordered two bird cage bushings from Tator and had planned to preemptively replace the original and keep a spare handy. After all the contorting to get under the dash and discovering a different set up, I took it apart anyway and made the bushings out of a better material. I had to have something to show for all my trouble.
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The same goal could be accomplished with a flanged bushing, a washer, and a cotter pin. BOOM, done. Simpler, stronger, and cheaper too. Some dipshit spent a lot of time designing that turd, then even more time having a tool maker create the injection molds. There is no telling how much total money was spent to design and manufacture that waste of time.
I agree that the birdcage design ended up not being good because it failed way before any reasonable amount of use. However, I would think that the design was done that way in order to address a specific issue that is VERY common in production. That is, reduce parts count and labor cost on an assembly line. Did it come out well? No. But, it is obviously much simpler to install that one part than installing 3 parts and then bending a cotter pin.

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Old September 30th, 2014, 10:15 AM   #26
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So, in conclusion, reference threads whereas people had the plastic pos clips break and leave them stranded, reference my proactive purchase of some plastic clips for my car, end then reference this thread whereas I discover my car and others do not even have the plastic clips, it appears that the *emergency* I was trying to avoid is
ENTIRELY FUCKING OVERRATED!
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Right, but the question still remains 'Why do some have them and some do not', as my 1998 has the metal clip pictured above and not the birdcage.
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Old September 30th, 2014, 10:49 AM   #28
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I fired the midget that's been standing in my footwell waiting for me to hand him a plastic bird cage.
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Old September 30th, 2014, 03:30 PM   #29
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My '00 RT/10 had the plastic birdcage from the factory. When it broke I thought the previous owner must have rigged something up since it didn't make any sense to have something so flimsy connecting something as important as the clutch pedal.

A family friend was the parts manager for a Dodge dealership at the time and ordered me the closest thing to a replacement he could find, which was a flat washer and the metal clip. He had it delivered to the local dealership and all was well. If you happen to have a birdcage car, the metal clip upgrade fits perfectly.

The years of which cars came with what clip apparently remains a mystery.
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The years of which cars came with what clip apparently remains a mystery.
I think it would help steer owners towards proactively replacing the plastic retainer if someone did have that information.
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Old October 1st, 2014, 12:08 PM   #31
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.... Does anyone have a picture of the actual clip and/or know where I can order a few? I'd like to keep some handy as well.
I was soooo tempted to post a pic of a clit, but did not want to make it NWS.
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Checked my 99 out last night and I have the metal retaining clips instead of the plastic birdcage as well.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 01:19 AM   #33
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My '96 has the clip too, no birdcage.

Pain in the neck to get down there to take a look.
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Can't tell what's in that parts book pic, but looking at that photograph of the plastic bird cage with the screwdriver under it, mine has a metal clip over the end of that exposed shaft. Meaning I'm finding it difficult to figure out where the plastic thing comes in to play on my car.
Dave, this is not what i think i am looking at. I am looking i believe at the end (far left) of the shaft that both clutch and brake pedals pivot on. not the linkage to the clutch and it appears that there is nothing to keep it from sliding off the end of this shaft (other that all the other junk attached to the pedal). i know, that description was probably confusing as hell but its the best way i can describe it. like i said in another thread i will take a picture and see if you will look at it and tell me what you think. thanks
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Also bought a couple bird cages based on some of the concerns raised here as a preventative measure, however when I went under the dash to install the clutch lowering kit I'm seeing the same as Dave posted. It's a 97 GTS.

Strangely enough, the two lower clips appear to be new, while the one at the top is somewhat rusted like shown in Dave's pictures. Maybe someone replaced them or I'm looking in the wrong place.
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I also preemptively bought a few plastic birdcage clips without checking, and discovered I had the metal ones. If anyone needs a plastic clip I will send it to you for whatever it costs to ship it (parcel should be cheap). send me an email nrsugai(at)gmail(dot)com.
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Unneeded bird clips are tearing the viper community apart.
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Unneeded bird clips are tearing the viper community apart.
im to freaked out to even look underneath my dash, might be a whole bird up there.
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Bringing this dead thread back b/c I've got a master cylinder issue and I have this damn little birdcage clip on the actuator rod, can anyone tell me how to get it off? The only pic I can find shows a screwdriver under it but I feel like I'm going to snap it if I do that, any help would be appreciated.
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Go ahead and snap it. You'll want to replace it with a new one anyway while everything is apart or convert it over to the metal clip style.
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