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Viper4Christ August 9th, 2013 02:19 AM

TT Lambos cleans house KOS
 
King of the Streets '13

As much as I'd like to see a big build Viper come out and win, it is nice seeing a well built super car dish out serious punishment to Vettes, GT-R's and Stangs alike.

The 1250hp LMR TT Viper makes a run against Kevin in a white LP-570 but dies off on the top end with the smaller turbos.



Looks like UR FTW..........



Again. ;)






Disturbed 01 August 9th, 2013 10:30 AM

Damn it.... :cursin: Would someone with a TT viper get out and please stomp the ever living shit out of these Lambos. I get so sick of seeing this. It just pisses me off to no end that we all know these cars can do it but it NEVER happens. FFFFUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKKKKK

plumcrazy August 9th, 2013 11:37 AM

lambo > viper

sonofadragracer August 9th, 2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Disturbed 01 (Post 1908145)
Damn it.... :cursin: Would someone with a TT viper get out and please stomp the ever living shit out of these Lambos. I get so sick of seeing this. It just pisses me off to no end that we all know these cars can do it but it NEVER happens. FFFFUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKKKKK

I'd like to see the damn race go from a standing start, Viper w/a good set of Cheater Slicks and a good Driver.

I'm sorry, but the "Granny Highway Gear" Racing is getting old.

Why don't we just go to the FUCKING SALT FLATS!!!
:arcade:

:leaving:

Viper Explorer August 9th, 2013 11:43 AM

I don't think we'll ever see a legit street Viper (and not something like Sals) that can still be daily driven, road course, whatever (not one strictly for straight line).... take on the G's. G's have weight advantage, awd, high rpms, trans, etc... just too hard to overcome on the street. Maybe some will get close, but actually take down a G in the way the Gs do to everyone else, kinda doubt it... sadly. We all know Sals could decimate on the street if he ran, but that power on the street in rwd would be way to risky/sketchy on slicks, has he ever ran dr's?

The Former PFR August 9th, 2013 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Viper Explorer (Post 1908281)
I don't think we'll ever see a legit street Viper (and not something like Sals) that can still be daily driven, road course, whatever (not one strictly for straight line).... take on the G's. G's have weight advantage, awd, high rpms, trans, etc... just too hard to overcome on the street. Maybe some will get close, but actually take down a G in the way the Gs do to everyone else, kinda doubt it... sadly. We all know Sals could decimate on the street if he ran, but that power on the street in rwd would be way to risky/sketchy on slicks, has he ever ran dr's?

What weight advantage?

Viper Explorer August 9th, 2013 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Former PFR (Post 1908289)
What weight advantage?

Uhhh there are a lot of SL builds and from the weights I've seen, weigh quite a bit less then TT Viper builds, even a G spyder stock weighs about what a stock Viper does, the SLs are like a tad over 3100 I believe stock. Most of the TT Vipers seem to come in around 3600-3800lbs granted the heavier ones also have custom stereos and what not peeps added.

but let's just say even if the weights were the same, other advantages are just too much for the street.

The Former PFR August 9th, 2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Viper Explorer (Post 1908305)
Uhhh there are a lot of SL builds and from the weights I've seen, weigh quite a bit less then TT Viper builds, even a G spyder stock weighs about what a stock Viper does, the SLs are like a tad over 3100 I believe stock. Most of the TT Vipers seem to come in around 3600-3800lbs granted the heavier ones also have custom stereos and what not peeps added.

but let's just say even if the weights were the same, other advantages are just too much for the street.

I agree about some of the other advantages, but I'd say weight is pretty much equal. The only Gallardos which are lighter than the Viper are the 2wd models and they have no advantage over a Viper. I think some of the Vipers being built right now should give the Gallardos a helluva hard time, as they finally are putting real transmissions in them. That's always been the thing that hurt the Viper against the Gallardos/GTRs.

To me, the greatest advantage has always been the money people are willing to spend. The Gallardo engine will never make Viper power when going all out. With enough work, I am sure the Viper can be made to hook up very well, but few have tried all that hard since the drag wars of the later 2000s.

Viper Explorer August 9th, 2013 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Former PFR (Post 1908361)
I agree about some of the other advantages, but I'd say weight is pretty much equal. The only Gallardos which are lighter than the Viper are the 2wd models and they have no advantage over a Viper. I think some of the Vipers being built right now should give the Gallardos a helluva hard time, as they finally are putting real transmissions in them. That's always been the thing that hurt the Viper against the Gallardos/GTRs.

To me, the greatest advantage has always been the money people are willing to spend. The Gallardo engine will never make Viper power when going all out. With enough work, I am sure the Viper can be made to hook up very well, but few have tried all that hard since the drag wars of the later 2000s.

I think their still lighter by a good bit but depends on the model, the awd SLs still tip the scales just over 3100 which is quite less then a Viper. Surprisingly the awd isn't heavy, I think people when they converted to rwd like some have only saved like 50 or 60lbs something like that?

We could start seeing some nice runs from the Vipers finally, I agree, especially with the advancements in tc/boost ramp programming which helps a ton with rwd high power. But still think it's going to be hard to really take the Gs down, their still even improving those, some of these cars are putting out ridiculous whp #s. Viper can make insane power too, but full kill mode, something like Sals car, I think that would be just too much for the street or dangerous.

sonofadragracer August 9th, 2013 12:58 PM

It's the type of Racing that they're doing that gives advantage to the Lambo's IMO. The damn things are geared properly and can twist to the MOON!!!

They don't have the advantage on TQ and Cubes...which would adhere to a DRAG RACE from a standing start...Advantage Viper IMO.

Just my .02

:eatpop:

But then look at the FGT, not a lot of Cubes but it's a RUNNER!!!

:dude3:

The Former PFR August 9th, 2013 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Viper Explorer (Post 1908433)
I think their still lighter by a good bit but depends on the model, the awd SLs still tip the scales just over 3100 which is quite less then a Viper.

Hard to find real curb weights for any of them. It seems that the Italians always claim something about 200 less than reality (and I'm not talking about dry vs. wet weight either). Claimed curb weight for the LP570 is 3150ish, but I'm skeptical. Has anyone put one on a scale yet? All of the rest of them are 3300-3500.

That said, if we're talking about modifying them (which we are), there is a lot more weight which can be removed from a Viper than a Lambo. Final, race weights, shouldn't be any different.

I think a Viper with proper tires, chassis setup, sequential box, and good tuning will run very well with anything. I think Aaron is trying to show us that now.

Viper Explorer August 9th, 2013 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Former PFR (Post 1908497)
Hard to find real curb weights for any of them. It seems that the Italians always claim something about 200 less than reality (and I'm not talking about dry vs. wet weight either). Claimed curb weight for the LP570 is 3150ish, but I'm skeptical. Has anyone put one on a scale yet? All of the rest of them are 3300-3500.

That said, if we're talking about modifying them (which we are), there is a lot more weight which can be removed from a Viper than a Lambo. Final, race weights, shouldn't be any different.

I think a Viper with proper tires, chassis setup, sequential box, and good tuning will run very well with anything. I think Seb is trying to show us that now.

I've seen a few get weighed down here and seem around what their rated at, think some guys haveput their weights up on LP before too. Ferrari though def over rates the weights, some of these cars came in 150-200lbs over ratings lol, rumors their weights are with no fluids or anything...not sure.

Can't wait to see Sebs car make runs

kvip August 9th, 2013 02:06 PM

It's gonna be tough to take down an E-gear race version Gallardo. The problem is the dual clutch, high rpm and awd = one hell of a roll racing set up. Seems like the big problem with the viper set up is they don't build the boost until +4,000 rpm with the big turbo and only have maybe 2,000 rpm to make full boost vs the lambos 3-4,000 rpm of full boost. When the viper goes to shift with a 6spd it looses most of the boost during the shift. A sequential would take care of boost drop and shift speed would be close to a dual clutch (most important part). If you could get a big turbo'd Viper to make full boost around 3,000 rpm then the car could actually rev for a bit before the next shift is needed. Could you run a 100shot at 3,000 rpm to get the turbo spooling? Then you would have instant boost at a low rpm and allow the torque to pull to 6,000 rpms.

I have heard that the Euro's are optimistic about the weight of they're cars. I think GM/Dodge/Ford are all pesimistic about they're cars weights. I had a 99 z/28 and a 99 C5 and they both weighed less than GM claimed. For the hell of it, one day I stuck the Camaro on our Intercomp scales and it weighed right around 3,293 with a 1/4 tank of fuel. Just for reference, my road race GTS with fiberglass doors, hood, lexan windows, and cage weighed in at 3,143lbs with some fuel in it.

The Former PFR August 9th, 2013 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kvip (Post 1908577)
It's gonna be tough to take down an E-gear race version Gallardo. The problem is the dual clutch, high rpm and awd = one hell of a roll racing set up. Seems like the big problem with the viper set up is they don't build the boost until +4,000 rpm with the big turbo and only have maybe 2,000 rpm to make full boost vs the lambos 3-4,000 rpm of full boost. When the viper goes to shift with a 6spd it looses most of the boost during the shift. A sequential would take care of boost drop and shift speed would be close to a dual clutch (most important part). If you could get a big turbo'd Viper to make full boost around 3,000 rpm then the car could actually rev for a bit before the next shift is needed. Could you run a 100shot at 3,000 rpm to get the turbo spooling? Then you would have instant boost at a low rpm and allow the torque to pull to 6,000 rpms.

I have heard that the Euro's are optimistic about the weight of they're cars. I think GM/Dodge/Ford are all pesimistic about they're cars weights. I had a 99 z/28 and a 99 C5 and they both weighed less than GM claimed. For the hell of it, one day I stuck the Camaro on our Intercomp scales and it weighed right around 3,293 with a 1/4 tank of fuel. Just for reference, my road race GTS with fiberglass doors, hood, lexan windows, and cage weighed in at 3,143lbs with some fuel in it.

I thought the egear was single clutch? In the real world, we've never had a problem with our big turbo cars making full boost below the shift point. We hope our new quick spool setup makes that true even moreso. That said, a .96 hotside 76mm can make well over 1600 RWHP and will spool by low 3000s on the street all day long.

Mr. Hollywood August 9th, 2013 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kvip (Post 1908577)
It's gonna be tough to take down an E-gear race version...

Been there done that...

kvip August 9th, 2013 03:46 PM

Former PFR - Your right, Gallardo's are single clutch's. I was thinking of GTR's. I still think a sequential is one of the bigger pieces to the puzzle.

Hollywood, that was Very impressive. If you could beat Kevin from Underground in one of their Gallardo's that would answer a lot of questions.

The Former PFR August 9th, 2013 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kvip (Post 1908801)
Former PFR - Your right, Gallardo's are single clutch's. I was thinking of GTR's. I still think a sequential is one of the bigger pieces to the puzzle.

Hollywood, that was Very impressive. If you could beat Kevin from Underground in one of their Gallardo's that would answer a lot of questions.

No doubt the transmission is huge. Remember how good the blue car with the auto (not optimized at all for high speeds) did? Imagine a built ZF 8 speed coupled to a 2300 RWHP Viper with progressive boost control and good traction control.

sagev viper August 9th, 2013 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kvip (Post 1908577)
It's gonna be tough to take down an E-gear race version Gallardo. The problem is the dual clutch, high rpm and awd = one hell of a roll racing set up. Seems like the big problem with the viper set up is they don't build the boost until +4,000 rpm with the big turbo and only have maybe 2,000 rpm to make full boost vs the lambos 3-4,000 rpm of full boost. When the viper goes to shift with a 6spd it looses most of the boost during the shift. A sequential would take care of boost drop and shift speed would be close to a dual clutch (most important part). If you could get a big turbo'd Viper to make full boost around 3,000 rpm then the car could actually rev for a bit before the next shift is needed. Could you run a 100shot at 3,000 rpm to get the turbo spooling? Then you would have instant boost at a low rpm and allow the torque to pull to 6,000 rpms.

I have heard that the Euro's are optimistic about the weight of they're cars. I think GM/Dodge/Ford are all pesimistic about they're cars weights. I had a 99 z/28 and a 99 C5 and they both weighed less than GM claimed. For the hell of it, one day I stuck the Camaro on our Intercomp scales and it weighed right around 3,293 with a 1/4 tank of fuel. Just for reference, my road race GTS with fiberglass doors, hood, lexan windows, and cage weighed in at 3,143lbs with some fuel in it.

That ttg that won KOTS isn't egear, it's 6speed. Same car lost to Eddie bello in the 6speed challenge at the end of the day. Eddies car broke a run or two before the KOTS final, he fixed it for the 6 speed challenge.

Viper Explorer August 9th, 2013 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sagev viper (Post 1909025)
That ttg that won KOTS isn't egear, it's 6speed. Same car lost to Eddie bello in the 6speed challenge at the end of the day. Eddies car broke a run or two before the KOTS final, he fixed it for the 6 speed challenge.

I don't think there's anymore more hardcore than Bello lol. Running that same car all these years and still tweaking and pushing it to the limit. Remember back in the day, everyone trailering their garage queens and weekend racers, Bello would drive his cross country and states to race even if it wasn't an event, you call him out, prepare to lose ha. Or when the panels came off his car couple years ago at the Mile and he duck taped it back together and continued running lol

sagev viper August 9th, 2013 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Viper Explorer (Post 1909049)
I don't think there's anymore more hardcore than Bello lol. Running that same car all these years and still tweaking and pushing it to the limit. Remember back in the day, everyone trailering their garage queens and weekend racers, Bello would drive his cross country and states to race even if it wasn't an event, you call him out, prepare to lose ha. Or when the panels came off his car couple years ago at the Mile and he duck taped it back together and continued running lol

I believe this, at TI he busted a rocker arm during KOTS, repaired the car in the trailer and then won the 6 speed challenge!!


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