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July 12th, 2019 12:23 AM
THEICON
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Originally Posted by GTS Dean View Post
I think you are expecting more than is reasonable. It's summer in Texas. You are in Houston where the air is hot and heavy with moisture, neither of which are good performance. Just get used to it.
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Originally Posted by AJ02 View Post
If you decide to replace the relays, be sure to get ones that will handle the amperage. The ones available from most auto parts stores are only rated at 20 amps. The OEM are 40 amps. I found an electrical supply store in San Antonio that sold 40 amp ones.

Yeah this is crucial.
July 10th, 2019 03:25 PM
AJ02 If you decide to replace the relays, be sure to get ones that will handle the amperage. The ones available from most auto parts stores are only rated at 20 amps. The OEM are 40 amps. I found an electrical supply store in San Antonio that sold 40 amp ones.
July 6th, 2019 10:27 AM
EllowViper
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Originally Posted by THEICON View Post
What year is the car? I think relays frying was only an issue on certain years right?
01 GTS. The wires into the fan module/OEM plug are getting hard/brittle so rewiring a relay bypass might be smart, but I'm just not feeling compelled to mess with something that (right now) is working fine. I've messed-up enough things that were working fine trying to improve the OEM design. I think we've all fallen into that trap from time to time.
July 5th, 2019 11:37 PM
THEICON
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Originally Posted by EllowViper View Post
I was poking around my fan today checking things out contemplating doing a relay bypass to ease the pressure off the OEM wiring. The two speed fan has three 12 ga wires....light green (high speed) dark green (low speed) and black (ground). After looking at it all and the Service manual, I figured the factory 12ga wiring and relays were good enough for now. If I ever go with a custom fan set-up, then maybe I'll do relays and so forth.
What year is the car? I think relays frying was only an issue on certain years right?
July 2nd, 2019 05:16 PM
EllowViper I was poking around my fan today checking things out contemplating doing a relay bypass to ease the pressure off the OEM wiring. The two speed fan has three 12 ga wires....light green (high speed) dark green (low speed) and black (ground). After looking at it all and the Service manual, I figured the factory 12ga wiring and relays were good enough for now. If I ever go with a custom fan set-up, then maybe I'll do relays and so forth.
July 2nd, 2019 12:49 AM
jjsxw6
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Originally Posted by Lunchbox View Post
If you have pictures and can show us the wiring that would be awesome. Would be nice to see how this all fit in. I assume you ran your own relays and fused setup and used the stock fan wiring as a trigger?
I'll work on the pictures. I don't have any handy, because they were all on my old phone which failed suddenly. I tried to recover the pictures but couldn't.

In the mean time, here's a link to the sketchup model (free cad program) I made when I was mocking everything up. You'll need a copy of sketchup to view it. There's 2 shrouds, one for each fan. They have to go in one side at a time. The seam where they meet should be pretty tight (ideally 0, but you know how it goes when you are rolling your own stuff)

If the idea of 2 separate shrouds seem weird to you, know it's the only way to get those fans to fit. I tried half a dozen different cardboard mockups before I finally gave up and went with 2 pieces.

These are the fans. I initially thought I might be able to hack the shroud a little to get it to fit, but was unable.

The shroud I ended up making was pretty simple. I got 22ga steel sheet from home depot and cut out all the pieces with a jigsaw. I tacked it together with one of those cheap HF flux core welders, and then a friend helped me weld it together.

As far as wiring, each fan draws about 25 amps (don't worry, alternator is good for it), so they are on separate relays. I used an add a circuit to tap into one of the fuses that becomes live when the car is running, which turns on the relays. I think there are like 4 positions for the ignition circuit (off, accessory, run, and cranking) ? I don't quite remember, but it's all in the service manual. I think the fuse I spliced off of was live for running and cranking, but not accessory. So, both fans are on all the time. If you wanted to get fancy and use the oem high speed/low speed outputs you could, but I didn't see the benefit.
July 1st, 2019 11:05 AM
Lunchbox
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Originally Posted by jjsxw6 View Post
I have some huge fans I got from summit that a friend and I built a shroud for. Dual 13", 25 amps each. Highly recommended. Before, just like you, I had all kinds of overheating problems. Had to pull over and turn off the car once in heavy traffic.

Took it to an autox in July, where it was high 90's. autox is the worst for the cooling system, because it's heavy load, but not high speeds, so you're mostly relying on the fans. Even with spraying the radiator and having the heater on max, we couldn't keep it under 230.

Since the fan upgrade, the needle stays pegged at 190, even in traffic. I did GG heads and cam since then too, so I'm making more power. I took it to an autox last month where the run group was small (so basically hot lapping the car with little time to cool down), and it was high 90's again. I think I saw 210 at the worst. These fans rock.

If you want, I can give you the shroud dimensions and fan model. It was a fair bit of effort and fabbing to squeeze it in there, but worth it imo.
If you have pictures and can show us the wiring that would be awesome. Would be nice to see how this all fit in. I assume you ran your own relays and fused setup and used the stock fan wiring as a trigger?
July 1st, 2019 12:10 AM
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June 30th, 2019 07:33 PM
THEICON
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Originally Posted by jjsxw6 View Post
I have some huge fans I got from summit that a friend and I built a shroud for. Dual 13", 25 amps each. Highly recommended. Before, just like you, I had all kinds of overheating problems. Had to pull over and turn off the car once in heavy traffic.

Took it to an autox in July, where it was high 90's. autox is the worst for the cooling system, because it's heavy load, but not high speeds, so you're mostly relying on the fans. Even with spraying the radiator and having the heater on max, we couldn't keep it under 230.

Since the fan upgrade, the needle stays pegged at 190, even in traffic. I did GG heads and cam since then too, so I'm making more power. I took it to an autox last month where the run group was small (so basically hot lapping the car with little time to cool down), and it was high 90's again. I think I saw 210 at the worst. These fans rock.

If you want, I can give you the shroud dimensions and fan model. It was a fair bit of effort and fabbing to squeeze it in there, but worth it imo.

Super interested, thanks a ton.

I know 220-230 could be considered normal depending on the driving conditions. More of it has to do with 230 being too close to 250 on the gauge and me sweating bullets thinking I’m roasting the motor. Aftermarket gauges might be a next step so I can tell what the temp is vs sitting in traffic thinking “well I hope this isn’t too hot”
June 30th, 2019 01:49 PM
jjsxw6 I have some huge fans I got from summit that a friend and I built a shroud for. Dual 13", 25 amps each. Highly recommended. Before, just like you, I had all kinds of overheating problems. Had to pull over and turn off the car once in heavy traffic.

Took it to an autox in July, where it was high 90's. autox is the worst for the cooling system, because it's heavy load, but not high speeds, so you're mostly relying on the fans. Even with spraying the radiator and having the heater on max, we couldn't keep it under 230.

Since the fan upgrade, the needle stays pegged at 190, even in traffic. I did GG heads and cam since then too, so I'm making more power. I took it to an autox last month where the run group was small (so basically hot lapping the car with little time to cool down), and it was high 90's again. I think I saw 210 at the worst. These fans rock.

If you want, I can give you the shroud dimensions and fan model. It was a fair bit of effort and fabbing to squeeze it in there, but worth it imo.
June 30th, 2019 09:21 AM
AJ02 A lot of newer vehicles are designed to run hotter. I had 2 different company pickups before I retired. The first was a 2006 Ford 150. The second was a 2012 Dodge 1500. Both ran normal temps between 220* and 230*. My 2002 Vette was the same. it ran around 220* all the time.
June 29th, 2019 04:40 PM
GTS Dean I think you are expecting more than is reasonable. It's summer in Texas. You are in Houston where the air is hot and heavy with moisture, neither of which are good performance. Just get used to it.
June 29th, 2019 04:35 PM
THEICON
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Originally Posted by AJ02 View Post
I tried the purple ice in a 77 stroker Vette I had a few years ago ( they have the same airflow issues as the Viper ) and the only difference it made was my wallet was a bit lighter.
Lol good to know
June 29th, 2019 01:46 PM
AJ02 I tried the purple ice in a 77 stroker Vette I had a few years ago ( they have the same airflow issues as the Viper ) and the only difference it made was my wallet was a bit lighter.
June 29th, 2019 12:46 PM
THEICON Okay so the car has a new OEM water pump and it certainly doesn’t seemed to have hurt. Overall the car seems to stay in the 210-215 range longer in city driving, but eventually gets to 230+

The car does still seem to feel more bogged down after running AC for a while, so that’s the last thing I’m going to try before adding fans to the front of the radiator.

Anyone here running Evans coolant or using purple ice? Wondering if you guys have noticed better temps with either.
June 22nd, 2019 02:51 PM
THEICON
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Originally Posted by RobV View Post
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Originally Posted by THEICON View Post
Are we trolling now? Just making sure 😂

He also shat on that fan kit saying it was $150 worth of fans etc. Still curious if anyone’s running it and how it holds up.
Inside joke on the tune.
Gotcha. Driving car to Houston to further investigate issue now. I’ll report back on AC clutch/ water pump.
June 22nd, 2019 01:43 PM
RobV
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Originally Posted by THEICON View Post
Are we trolling now? Just making sure 😂

He also shat on that fan kit saying it was $150 worth of fans etc. Still curious if anyone’s running it and how it holds up.
Inside joke on the tune.
June 22nd, 2019 01:00 PM
THEICON
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Originally Posted by RobV View Post
but his tune was perfect.
Are we trolling now? Just making sure 😂

He also shat on that fan kit saying it was $150 worth of fans etc. Still curious if anyone’s running it and how it holds up.
June 22nd, 2019 11:36 AM
RobV but his tune was perfect.
June 22nd, 2019 08:26 AM
Red Snake
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Originally Posted by THEICON View Post
I read somewhere a guy called Dave6666 calling everyone posers, stating his car would run 210 at the hottest. I think he also lived in TX.

I also think I’ve just heard and read so many mixed things about what’s “normal” for operating temp that I’m just a bit jaded/ confused as to what normal actually is.
That guy was the ultimate poser. I heard he’s building plywood splitters in his garage and selling them to unsuspecting neighborhood college girls.
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