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July 24th, 2019 07:52 PM
Cap'n Hook
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Originally Posted by ManOfStealth View Post
Fellow Texan,
Vipers are hard to sell and spread far and wide across the USA.
... I fully understand the seller is going to get bombarded with requests from those never intending to buy but that is the nature of the beast.
Sold my 96 GTS in just a few weeks last year for a fair amount. Wasnít bombarded either. 2 guys and maybe 2 dealers making offers. First guy decided on another car. Second guy bought.
If your car is a hard sell, itís simply overpriced!
July 24th, 2019 01:13 AM
Viper4Christ
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Originally Posted by dirtbag View Post

2. If I'm ever forced to sell my Viper, it will be however I damn well please. The listing may go something like:

Never raced. Then include pic of my avatar, massive stack of time slips, bald rear tires with chunks of rubber melted to the wheel wells. All stock. Then include photos of turbo and dyno sheets. I will then proceed to McDonalds drive-thru, spill fries everywhere, leave trash on floor, then take photos of interior, some of which may be upside down. I will point out that it has a great sound system, navigation, commanded by a trained voice (1st generation Clarion AutoPC from 1997). Original throttle cable clip. Upgrayedd Radiator for the desert cruise. There will be a short video filmed in 240p vertical video of the exhaust with me saying "dope."
I even bet your turbo hot side is rusty, brakes have 35% pad left and 10% of your power is left in the tune.
July 23rd, 2019 08:41 AM
Chuck 98 RT10 My ad:

1998 RT/10 500,000 miles. If you're reading this I'm dead so make an offer.
July 23rd, 2019 08:25 AM
AJ02
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Originally Posted by Phat Guido View Post
FWIW.

Viper for sale ads will most likely be different from VCA members.

VCA member ad .."Please don't hesitate to ask any and all questions. I'm here for a seamless, transparent, transaction."

Alley member ad..... "Don't be a douchebag and ask dumb-ass questions. If you don't like it, go fuck yourself".
This! When I sold my 02 GTS, I had it priced reasonably for the mileage (94000). I had an asshole call me twice offering me $8000 less than I was asking. The second time he called me stupid and said I would be calling him back in a couple weeks begging for him to take it off my hands. I sold it for the asking price a week later.
July 23rd, 2019 03:07 AM
Phat Guido FWIW.

Viper for sale ads will most likely be different from VCA members.

VCA member ad .."Please don't hesitate to ask any and all questions. I'm here for a seamless, transparent, transaction."

Alley member ad..... "Don't be a douchebag and ask dumb-ass questions. If you don't like it, go fuck yourself".
July 23rd, 2019 12:57 AM
dirtbag What a strange post. Please allow me to add more weirdness.

#1. S5 is the most perfect phone ever made. I have three of them.

#2. If I'm ever forced to sell my Viper, it will be however I damn well please. The listing may go something like:

Never raced. Then include pic of my avatar, massive stack of time slips, bald rear tires with chunks of rubber melted to the wheel wells. All stock. Then include photos of turbo and dyno sheets. I will then proceed to McDonalds drive-thru, spill fries everywhere, leave trash on floor, then take photos of interior, some of which may be upside down. I will point out that it has a great sound system, navigation, commanded by a trained voice (1st generation Clarion AutoPC from 1997). Original throttle cable clip. Upgrayedd Radiator for the desert cruise. There will be a short video filmed in 240p vertical video of the exhaust with me saying "dope." $120,000 OBO, I know what I got/skyrocket.

Then I'll log in with a trolling account and offer $9,200.

Lastly I'll log in with my original account and reply with SOLD. -thread closed-
July 23rd, 2019 12:29 AM
ManOfStealth
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Originally Posted by Lunchbox View Post
Honestly your entire post looks like you're trying to make buyers cater to you and 99% of the time individuals selling these cars DON'T give two shits about catering to you. They know what they have plain and simple and if you want it you're going to go see it in person.

Most of the people that take pictures tucked away in their garage are testing waters and don't really care if it actually sells, unless someone throws the right amount of money at them or begs them for more info or to see it in person. This has been my experience over the years buying and selling cars when i used to be a mechanic for a long while and being an enthusiast myself.

If you want the car, you need to seek it out. Yes its helpful to have pictures so you know if you're wasting time looking at a beater, but generally most vipers are well kept for the most part and you can tell based on just a few small pictures of its a total waste of time or not and also via the description and mileage and knowing what commonly wears out on them and at what mileage.

People arent going to come to you showing their car off begging you to buy it, its always been the other way around and always will be. You want the goods, you need to put in the work to find one and try to pry it from their hands for the right price.


Common things to look for that ive noticed:

Motor mounts (check if shifter is moving around excessively when accelerating or on/off throttle moderately)
Cooling system (check for leaks and temp gauge staying pegging off into the 220-230+ mark all the time even when its cool out)
Side sill warning stickers being totally torched/faded from heat (execisive on throttle all the time or cats are bad)
Break caliper viper stickers bubbling and peeling ( sign of hard repeated use)

Also be aware of the vent /ac quirks on this car, you'll think stuff is broken, but its more often than not just fine and its the intended operation. AC does cut out under moderate acceleration (vaccum controlled flapper door)

There are many other things to look for and you could probably get a more granular list from some of the youtube viper buyers guide videos out there. Couple this with any common automotive knowledge
about commonly wearing parts and you'll be in good shape.
Fellow Texan,
I appreciate your input and suggestions on things to look for when buying a Viper but I find it hard to swallow your first few paragraphs. I would beg to differ on selling the Gen 1 Vipers.
A Dodge that is 25 years old, no windows, no roof, no ABS, no air bags and many without A/C is in need of a good salesman with good ads. You come across as if these cars are flying out of the sellers garages, not so I tell you. Take it from those looking and watching the market everyday, Vipers are hard to sell and spread far and wide across the USA.
My post just had some helpful hints to those selling, from a potential buyer. I fully understand the seller is going to get bombarded with requests from those never intending to buy but that is the nature of the beast.
I believe the results of the sale is bettered by the effort one puts into selling the car.
Hope to have you around to answer questions I'm going to have after I find that "just right" Gen 1 I'm searching for.
Thanks guys
July 19th, 2019 05:10 PM
Ramtuff You should stick to rubbing your balls on the parts your selling and not your phone camera, I’m just saying!
July 19th, 2019 11:41 AM
99RT10&GTS The advice is not bad, but like the guys are saying, to cater to 90% of the people who will not buy is not worth the effort. Best way to get a good look at a car is buy seeing it in person, not pictures.

Although I am one of those that has a shitty camera(S5 phone), I need to upgrade to a Razor flip phone................
July 19th, 2019 11:00 AM
Chuck 98 RT10 I tried selling a Viper for a friend. Posted plenty of good, detailed pics of interest. I sent some to one "buyer" and he kept asking for more. I finally ignored him. The car was cherry and a great buy.

There are also the brokers who want $$$ to post the car for you. Those get annoying too.

I understand your frustration. But there is the side of the seller too.
July 19th, 2019 10:02 AM
Lunchbox
Quote:
Originally Posted by ManOfStealth View Post
Hello, I'm a potential buyer of a Gen 1 Viper. I have combed the internet looking for that right Viper to call my own and I have come across dozens upon dozens of for sell ads. Let me tell you, there are tones of sellers that have no idea how to market and package their Vipers for sell to the potential buyers.

I want to list a few of my helpful tips below and maybe other will add to the list. Thanks guys

1) Get a decent camera or high end phone to take pictures. Fuzzy or out of focus pictures are terrible. Someone buying or bidding on your car from out of state has to rely on those pictures to make their decision.

2) Take tones of pictures. Yes, we know what a red 95' Viper looks like but we want to see pictures of your car that might be our car one day. Highlight the good and don't forget to mention and note the "needs attention" areas.

3) Don't take pictures of your car tucked away in a garage. Can't tell you how many ads Ive see with ten pictures of the drivers side and none from the side next to the wall. Might tell me your car is garage kept but also might tell me it doesn't start and you can't get it to your driveway.

4) Take pictures at a park or somewhere picturesque. I don't want to see it parked outside you house that has overgrown yard and siding that needs paint. Makes me think upkeep and maintenance on the car is nonexistent.

5) Check the current market for your car. I know Vipers are suppose to be the next big collector car but that has yet to happen. Listing your "driver" Gen 1 for trailer queen money is not going to get it sold. Be realistic, "your" Viper might be priceless to you but not everyone agrees. Also, auction prices can be misleading.

6) Those looking for a Viper to buy know the story behind the car. Every auto mag out there has had stories about these cars for decades. Don't spend 3/4 of your info page on how fast or great these cars are, we know and that's why we are looking to buy. Give us facts about YOUR car and all the great things about YOUR car that makes us want to buy YOUR car.
Honestly your entire post looks like you're trying to make buyers cater to you and 99% of the time individuals selling these cars DON'T give two shits about catering to you. They know what they have plain and simple and if you want it you're going to go see it in person.

Most of the people that take pictures tucked away in their garage are testing waters and don't really care if it actually sells, unless someone throws the right amount of money at them or begs them for more info or to see it in person. This has been my experience over the years buying and selling cars when i used to be a mechanic for a long while and being an enthusiast myself.

If you want the car, you need to seek it out. Yes its helpful to have pictures so you know if you're wasting time looking at a beater, but generally most vipers are well kept for the most part and you can tell based on just a few small pictures of its a total waste of time or not and also via the description and mileage and knowing what commonly wears out on them and at what mileage.

People arent going to come to you showing their car off begging you to buy it, its always been the other way around and always will be. You want the goods, you need to put in the work to find one and try to pry it from their hands for the right price.


Common things to look for that ive noticed:

Motor mounts (check if shifter is moving around excessively when accelerating or on/off throttle moderately)
Cooling system (check for leaks and temp gauge staying pegging off into the 220-230+ mark all the time even when its cool out)
Side sill warning stickers being totally torched/faded from heat (execisive on throttle all the time or cats are bad)
Brake caliper viper stickers bubbling and peeling ( sign of hard repeated use)

Also be aware of the vent /ac quirks on this car, you'll think stuff is broken, but its more often than not just fine and its the intended operation. AC does cut out under moderate acceleration (vaccum controlled flapper door)

There are many other things to look for and you could probably get a more granular list from some of the youtube viper buyers guide videos out there. Couple this with any common automotive knowledge
about commonly wearing parts and you'll be in good shape.
July 19th, 2019 01:42 AM
ManOfStealth
For those selling Vipers

Hello, I'm a potential buyer of a Gen 1 Viper. I have combed the internet looking for that right Viper to call my own and I have come across dozens upon dozens of for sell ads. Let me tell you, there are tones of sellers that have no idea how to market and package their Vipers for sell to the potential buyers.

I want to list a few of my helpful tips below and maybe other will add to the list. Thanks guys

1) Get a decent camera or high end phone to take pictures. Fuzzy or out of focus pictures are terrible. Someone buying or bidding on your car from out of state has to rely on those pictures to make their decision.

2) Take tones of pictures. Yes, we know what a red 95' Viper looks like but we want to see pictures of your car that might be our car one day. Highlight the good and don't forget to mention and note the "needs attention" areas.

3) Don't take pictures of your car tucked away in a garage. Can't tell you how many ads Ive see with ten pictures of the drivers side and none from the side next to the wall. Might tell me your car is garage kept but also might tell me it doesn't start and you can't get it to your driveway.

4) Take pictures at a park or somewhere picturesque. I don't want to see it parked outside you house that has overgrown yard and siding that needs paint. Makes me think upkeep and maintenance on the car is nonexistent.

5) Check the current market for your car. I know Vipers are suppose to be the next big collector car but that has yet to happen. Listing your "driver" Gen 1 for trailer queen money is not going to get it sold. Be realistic, "your" Viper might be priceless to you but not everyone agrees. Also, auction prices can be misleading.

6) Those looking for a Viper to buy know the story behind the car. Every auto mag out there has had stories about these cars for decades. Don't spend 3/4 of your info page on how fast or great these cars are, we know and that's why we are looking to buy. Give us facts about YOUR car and all the great things about YOUR car that makes us want to buy YOUR car.

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