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Old September 29th, 2018, 08:21 PM   #21
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I'm all in with Hybrid Technology for daily driving but not even close on electric only... It just makes sense to capture all that energy on decel and braking... It's also cool to cruise at 80mph in EV mode. The other thing is that it pretty much doubles the life of the engine and brakes and even the oil change intervals... You get enormous range and still maintain conventional refuel time. The initial pull away is always electric and smooth unless you gun it... Most midsize sedans are getting 50mpg+ now and SUV's are in the 35mpg+ range so just about double... As far as trucks go I don't see hybrid being viable yet...
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Still there. still will do much the same. Wait for the civil suits from shareholders and shorts.
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I'm all in with Hybrid Technology for daily driving but not even close on electric only... It just makes sense to capture all that energy on decel and braking... It's also cool to cruise at 80mph in EV mode. The other thing is that it pretty much doubles the life of the engine and brakes and even the oil change intervals... You get enormous range and still maintain conventional refuel time. The initial pull away is always electric and smooth unless you gun it... Most midsize sedans are getting 50mpg+ now and SUV's are in the 35mpg+ range so just about double... As far as trucks go I don't see hybrid being viable yet...
My Audi Q7 6 cyl TurboDiesel gets 28-29 hwy mpg so just about double is nowhere near the case.
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If you are considering a Tesla for yourself, run the numbers on the Model X SUV.

It gets tremendous tax breaks due to being a SUV with over 6,000 GVW.

Net cost for me after all rebates and tax credits was around $35K. 100% write off of entire price first year if business use.

You can also write off the cost of installing your garage charger (35%)
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Yah, but I'd have to drive an SUV.

I had an inside the garage and outside 240V plug put in, and since the panel was right there, cost me $150.
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True dat on driving a SUV.

Not sure there will be shareholder lawsuits. The $40 Million will go towards a settlement fund for those filing claims. Anything left stays with the FDC.

SDG&E will send you annual rebate checks for driving an EV. $50 tax credit for putting in plug will pay to fill the tank on your Viper.

You can get ugly Ca. stickers that will allow you to drive single in the HOV lanes.
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Love the self driving.

Ordered another. It will be delivered in a month.
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I’m creating a new thread on this issue since the old thread was about 2017 rules and got confusing. Since there’s been some confusion around this and I just typed the following up for someone else in a PM, thought I’d clarify the new rules under the Trump Tax Law that would enable up to 100% immediate tax deduction for a Model X — See below and if you want to reach me personally with any questions PM me or my email is hdhemmati at gmail dotcom:

I was totally clueless about this 179 deduction and bonus business depreciation business for heavy SUVs (>6000 pounds GVWR or “Hummer Loophole”). Then my uncle did it and then I discovered some friends did it too. I hired a tax attorney to give me an official opinion (paid her $150 for 30 min time on phone) so that I would have this documented and protect myself in case of issues down the line and prove that I did my diligence on it.

Basically, under the new Trump tax plan (Effective late September 2017 and valid through at least 2018), you get to deduct up to 100% of the Model X value off your taxes as a proportion of its BUSINESS use in the year you buy it without needing to depreciate over several years as before. For example, say you buy a Model X in May, and you use it 75% for professional work (consulting, wedding photographer, private doc, whatever you do) and 25% personal, and the car cost $100k including tax, you deduct $75k off your federal taxes (and an appropriate proportion off state based on your state rules - you have to depreciate the state component over 5 years in my state of CA) -- you might report a loss but that way you get $$ back year of the following years. The business to personal ratio has to be DOCUMENTED and believable and must exceed 50% to trigger. You can't say easily 100% unless you did what I did: I bought it 2nd to last week of December. I kept my old car until Jan 2. I drove the X ONLY for business and then left it alone in my garage until Jan 1. That way, I got to say 100% business! $100k car, after tax, ended up costing me $50k. Not bad, eh? You MUST have documentation in the form of a mileage log (handwritten) ideally supported by odometer readings using Tesla Service records. The IRS can (and often does) request the documentation at audit time.

Math was as follows:
Car after tax: $100,000
Section 179 Deduction: $25,000 (heavy vehicles only)
100% bonus depreciation: $100,000-$25,000 = $75,000 (new Trump tax plan effective late September 2017 and beyond; previously it was 50% bonus, which meant $37500, not $75,000)
Total write-off from federal taxes: $25,000 + $75,000 = $100,000 (100% of the car)
The key, therefore, is to keep business use to a maximum level in 2018 so you get the maximal deduction upfront.

I do my own taxes btw... This was relatively easy to do in TurboTax but some accountants aren’t yet up to speed on the Trump tax changes. You can get a loan and pay the loan off over time, but take the tax deduction RIGHT away. So I have a loan from tesla at 1.49% interest and I deduct the interest as well!! But the PRINCIPAL (the cost of the car + tax) got written off immediately!
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It gets better. After you get the initial after tax costs down to $50,00 you also get a $7,500 Federal Tax Credit + a $2,500 check back from CA. + $600 credit from installing home charging plug + $450 credit back from my Electric Company + significant reductions in fuel costs as I got free Supercharging for life when I got mine.

Figure, after all was said and done it is a net net $35,000 costs. Will certaintly get more for than when I sell it, so...free car.

Actually I went cheap on mine, and only got a $80,000 configuration with the smaller battery.

Have taken it off road (not rock crawling) and in the snow. The AWD is fantastic. Best throttle response of any car ever. Used it to tow a couple times and it pulls better than a diesel (but not as far).

SoCal ViperClub did a visit to an Orange County Tesla showroom several years ago. Everybody go to drive their 2 seat Roadster. Opened some eyes.

Stopping every so often gets to be not that big a deal. Makes a nice break. Gets about the same range as a Viper or a Harley.
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Got the 2nd Model 3. Have 3,000 miles on the first. Driving, using auto steer is so much more relaxing and safe. Stop and go traffic isn't stressful. My wife got it on the first test drive. It is the next level of travel locally.

Build quality is superb. A model 3 just completed 1 million miles simulated with no noticeable motor/driveline wear.
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Got the 2nd Model 3. Have 3,000 miles on the first. Driving, using auto steer is so much more relaxing and safe. Stop and go traffic isn't stressful.
Do they do anything to help with merging onto freeways? That is one of my biggest pet peeves. A majority of people seem to be unable to match speed and merge into traffic without disrupting freeway traffic. It is especially evident when traffic is light and there are big spaces available; but, they still can't fit into them.
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Release 9 of the software for self driving will help a bit. They are almost as crappy at merging as California drivers. The beauty of the car is I've got 3 software updates in a month and it just keeps getting better as a result.

I imagine it will fix merging eventually.
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When someone says: "Electric, how nice." I answer "I'd be as happy with coal burning, I just wanted self driving." Seems to quiet them down.

All the other manufacturers think Tesla is an electric car thing. that is only a small part of it.
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and what happens with 2" of snow on the road? Cant read any lane lines then?


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