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Old July 19th, 2017, 02:26 PM   #1
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Ford ecoboost problem theory...so let me know what you think

I have a 2013 F-150, 3.5 ecoboost engine. I have read there are issues with certain valves in the heads that are causing problems because of carbon buildup...which eventually leads to serious problems with the engine. So I have a theory and wanted to run it past you people to critique what I am thinking.

1) I am thinking that because this is a DI engine, and for most every DI engine carbon buildup on the valves is a known problem.

2) I am thinking that the carbon buildup up is from the PCV system with oil vapor getting back into the heads and building up on the valves?

3) I am thinking that because this is a turbo engine that because of the boost more oil vapor is getting back into the heads which is causing this problem to be worse?

4) I think though that because I have used Mobil 1 since the first oil change that the problem should not be as bad as dino oil?

5) I am thinking that I cannot use any kind of a throttle body cleaner in fear of any carbon chunks that come off of the valves of getting to the Turbo...that and the cleaner possibly washing the lubrication from the turbo bearings?

6) I am thinking that an easy fix would be to install a catch can on the PCV system?

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Old July 19th, 2017, 02:30 PM   #2
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Warm the engine up, spray mopar combustion chamber cleaner (entire can) in a port or something on intake manifold, drive it around , done deal.
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Warm the engine up, spray mopar combustion chamber cleaner (entire can) in a port or something on intake manifold, drive it around , done deal.
But that doesn't fix it. Will the catch can do the trick or at least make it less of a problem?
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Ain't just you. Found something to cure the throttle lag because of the electronic throttle. It is called Sprint Booster...they should make this for the Vipers too!
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But that doesn't fix it. Will the catch can do the trick or at least make it less of a problem?
If you already have build up a catch can will not do anything for the crap on the valves. If you are worried about it take it in and have it walnut blasted or pull everything apart and soak the valves and let them sit then chisel the crap off.

From what I read when I had my XFR there is not much you can do except tear the engine down and clean the valves. If the intake cleaning crap dislodged anything like was mentioned above you could create some problems with a chunk of carbon circulating in the intake. That is also a BIG IF, the build up wont just wipe off you really have to knock that shit off the valves.
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that aint gonna hurt the turbo at all either. PCV "technology" is so old I am surprised no one has come up with a better isolated system that recirculates the oil caught and hgave just the filtered clean air return to the engine.

As to your "theory": you would need to pull the intake and trace the path that recirculated oil misted air would follow once it enters the intake. I expect you would see a pretty obvious path of oil deposit and certain valves being worse that others based on air flow path through the intake. then Id say you are pretty solid on your theory. then prove said theory you would need a fresh engine and run it with an AOS in line with the PCV valve and see if it is then free from valve contamination. Then you go to FORD and sell them your patented system and give me 25% for my assistance in the venture. I will PM you my off shore accnt number
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Ain't just you. Found something to cure the throttle lag because of the electronic throttle. It is called Sprint Booster...they should make this for the Vipers too!
Have you tried the Sprint Booster yet?

What mileage does the buildup become an issue? I'm mostly highway at 80+ mph. Not even 20K on the truck yet.
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Ain't just you. Found something to cure the throttle lag because of the electronic throttle. It is called Sprint Booster...they should make this for the Vipers too!
I thought the lag was part of the tune? For emissions as i read it. Its one of the first things these aftermarket flash tuners fix with their tunes.

Is your lag getting worse with more and more miles on it?
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I don't have a V6, but a 1.0L 3cyl Ecoboost.

Here's an example of just one valve at 8,000 miles (sorry about the poor quality, but you get the idea)




I'm at 20,000 miles today. In the next couple weeks I will take higher resolution pics and install water injection. I'll let you know if it cleans things up over time.

Installing a catch can will probably help. But there's still reverberation during a cold startup when the cams are phased to satisfy emissions that may contribute.



I'm not a super fan of gas DI yet. I feel the drawbacks still outweigh the benefits.
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It is well documented the old gen Audi engines would loose a lot of hp after as little as 10k miles due to the build up, btw any fuel additive that says it will clean valves in a DI engine is complete bullshit. My dad gets the "treatment" on every oil change on is sho and I continually tell him he is pissing money down the drain.

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It is well documented the old gen Audi engines would loose a lot of hp after as little as 10k miles due to the build up, btw any fuel additive that says it will clean valves in a DI engine is complete bullshit. My dad gets the "treatment" on every oil change on is sho and I continually tell him he is pissing money down the drain.

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Friend has an RS4 and had to do carbon cleaning 3 or 4x. I actually never understood that car, it didn't ride or handle near as well as a CTS-V and V would obliterate it in straight line yet the RS4 cost more and maintenance was ridiculous in general on that car. He still freaking has it almost 10 years later (bought new), problems and all lol, that thing has been more of a money pit then a boat.
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