Let's just keep pushing the foreign market.... maybe one day we can collect unemployment in Yen and Euros..
You would think, with all the biased writing these days, they could write a biased opinion on an American product for a change. It's the same with bike mags, Honda gets ALL the raves because they spend the most advertising dollars...meanwhile, their bikes are the most boring.
Just read an article last night on comparing a modified Evo Lancer vs a 2008 Viper. Of course they used a very tight turning track like Willow and had one of their guys drive the Viper (who commented how easy it was to break loose = inexperienced driver).
I just don't get where these people come from. Stock Vipers really are not setup for the track, they should of at least grabbed an ACR.
Vipers stock are setup for the street and the suspension has to be changed if you really want to track the car and put up some reasonable times.
Then again let's compare a highly moddified EVO designed for track against something that rolls off a dealer's lot.
Not to mention let's get a driver who is not used to driving a Viper to test it.
I guess I should take it as a compliment that they picked a Viper to test against, even if they stacked it so the Viper would lose.
Just read an article last night on comparing a modified Evo Lancer vs a 2008 Viper. Of course they used a very tight turning track like Willow and had one of their guys drive the Viper (who commented how easy it was to break loose = inexperienced driver).
I just don't get where these people come from. Stock Vipers really are not setup for the track, they should of at least grabbed an ACR.
Vipers stock are setup for the street and the suspension has to be changed if you really want to track the car and put up some reasonable times.
Then again let's compare a highly moddified EVO designed for track against something that rolls off a dealer's lot.
Not to mention let's get a driver who is not used to driving a Viper to test it.
I guess I should take it as a compliment that they picked a Viper to test against, even if they stacked it so the Viper would lose.
Car and Driver are morons. Latest article picked a BMW M3 over the Nissan GTR...and they complained about things with the Nissan that they did not complain about when they did the Viper/vette/porsche test.
So the bottom line (according to them) is that the BMW M3 is better than every car that has been compared to the Nissan!
"We evaluate cars on a universal score sheet-acceleration, braking, styling, comfort, fuel economy, price, etc. This usually serves us well, but for certain automobiles-this one for example-not all of it applies."
They were talking about the Bentley Brooklands. Price and fuel economy would be the last things on my mind if I could throw almost $400,000 at one car. Why wouldn't they leave out the N/A stuff in both tests?
Out of curiousity did the say what comfiguration they ran (I'm guessing #13) and if it was CW or CCW? Fine with me the ACR doesn't get its due, I know what it can do
Sport compact car and its on my desk. Its the worst most ridiculous article ever written. Bone stock BASE MODEL car vs a race tuned Evo?
I'd like to see just an RSI700 ACR with just full exhaust would thoroughly molest that thing.
Also, I think they just can't drive the dang car. They describe it as this big clumsy lumbering thing that they are "afraid" to push. Why don't you throw the thing into the corner like you have a pair and see what kind of lap time you can get?
Sport compact car and its on my desk. Its the worst most ridiculous article ever written. Bone stock BASE MODEL car vs a race tuned Evo?
I'd like to see just an RSI700 ACR with just full exhaust would thoroughly molest that thing.
Also, I think they just can't drive the dang car. They describe it as this big clumsy lumbering thing that they are "afraid" to push. Why don't you throw the thing into the corner like you have a pair and see what kind of lap time you can get?
/Biased Econobox Review Rant
HAHA....sounds like their normal mentality. When Paolo did the Ultimate Street Car Challenge, they changed the point structure post-event in order to keep his Heffner S/C car from being at/near the top of the rankings. They had no choice the year prior when Mumford crushed every event to give the Viper the prize, but they didn't like it and didn't want it to happen 2 years in a row.
Top gear is the standard IMO for automotive journalism. I don't want to hear someone describe a car. I want them to UNDERSTAND the car and then give an honest heartfelt objective view of it.
As much as they rip on American stuff Top gear GETS the viper. They understand that its supposed to be a dedicated in your face kind of monstrous-power-on-tap ride that makes you smile every time you light up each of the football field wide rear tires.
That same article gives the GTR points for having a backseat!!! WTF I cancelled my subscription a long time ago. Your right the M3 is suppose to be the best car that money can buy...I mean it will out due a freakin Bugatti in a peformance test if it went head to head according to C&D...A lot of people who rate the magazine drive BMWs what do you expect...
I just read the R&T version of the best track car. The ACR did really well, again, but the end result was flawed. Not good on an oval track due to gearing? The thing is a torque MONSTER. Most drivers say it doesn't matter what gear you're in in a Viper, it just pulls.
So, the ACR was ahead by a comfortable margin after 3 out of 4 tests. THEN in the last test, it does so poorly.....Porsche wins the oval, Lambo wins overall. BS
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Dean is right. After I read the article and saw what Roger said, I understood. BTW...the Lambo won, not the Porsche. The Lambo is a great car too. Its light, AWD, has R compounds, and a very good chassis combined with a superb direct injection engine. I have no doubt an ACR in experienced (as in Viper experience) hands would beat it on most any track, but for a bunch of guys that have minimal seat time, the Lambo is a very worthy competitor.
Thanks for the Viper support! Pimpin' the Lambo and the Porsche on a Viper forum!
The engineer tuned ACR Viper couldn't go around an oval as fast as a Porsche (-70 hp) a Lambo (-50hp) or with a Nissan with 120+ less hp, because the driver (who I have zero ability to comprehend) can't be bothered with shifting gears....?
It shouldn't have mattered that much that he had minimal seat time in the snake, the thing was set up for that type of racing and he was the 'oval pro'. The aero difference alone, compared to the other cars, should have made the ACR incredibly stable at high speeds.
That same article gives the GTR points for having a backseat!!! WTF I cancelled my subscription a long time ago. Your right the M3 is suppose to be the best car that money can buy...I mean it will out due a freakin Bugatti in a peformance test if it went head to head according to C&D...A lot of people who rate the magazine drive BMWs what do you expect...
LoL. I have that issue in front of me now.. Lets just say its my last.
Can they be any more biased? Out of all the catagories points the max is 245. ONLY 20 of the points is for PERFORMANCE!!! LOL.
I think they used the MINIVAN performance tests. SO if your looking for a GROCERY Getter with plenty of space for your kids in the back. OMG buy the Skyline.
It's not an issue of the driver not being bothered to shift gears. The issue is that stock Viper gearing sucks at high speeds. Shift into 5th gear, and the car bogs a lot. Acceleration in 5th gear is relatively slow. On a high speed oval, where you're constanty shifting between 4th and 5th, the gearing will definitely slow the car down. I finally got sick of this, and changed out my stock 5th and 6th gears to lower gears. Makes a big difference.
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Thanks for the Viper support! Pimpin' the Lambo and the Porsche on a Viper forum!
The engineer tuned ACR Viper couldn't go around an oval as fast as a Porsche (-70 hp) a Lambo (-50hp) or with a Nissan with 120+ less hp, because the driver (who I have zero ability to comprehend) can't be bothered with shifting gears....?
It shouldn't have mattered that much that he had minimal seat time in the snake, the thing was set up for that type of racing and he was the 'oval pro'. The aero difference alone, compared to the other cars, should have made the ACR incredibly stable at high speeds.
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