Belanger Long Tube Headers & Side Exhaust Kit - Viper (2008+)
Factory tested and tuned to be ODB2 Compliant. This means they will NOT throw a check engine light. SPECIFICALLY designed in cooperation with McLaren, Dodge, and the EPA in the loop to ensure 100% bolt-on-and-go horsepower. how they do this is that by designing the headers properly the fuel is actually used up by the engine instead of needing cats to catch unburnt fuel droplets on the way out of the tailpipe.
This way the engine is using the same amount of fuel and you're getting a whole lot more power!
08 Header features:
Belanger super tuned long tube Tri-Y connectors.
Mandrel bent 1 3/4" port matched D ported primary tubes.
Laser cut 5/16" Flanges
3" Connectors
Headers are Jet Hot Coated
Kit includes:
headers
complete cat back exhaust
gaskets
hardware
instructions
COMPLETE BOLT ON SYSTEM - NO WELDING!
Exhaust Features:
3" High flow cat converters
Oxygen sensor extensions - utilizing factory connectors
Requires NO cutting or splicing of stock wires
Weighs 18.5 lbs less than the stock system
Aluminized tubing runs 50% cooler than stainless steel exhaust
Aluminized tubing retards rust and corrosion
50+ Bolt on horsepower with the complete kit!
Limited lifetime warranty
With over 50 years manufacturing performance exhaust components there is a reason companies like Dodge and Mclaren call Belanger for help making headers.
SPECIFICALLY designed in cooperation with McLaren, Dodge, and the EPA in the loop to ensure 100% bolt-on-and-go horsepower. how they do this is that by designing the headers properly the fuel is actually used up by the engine instead of needing cats to catch unburnt fuel droplets on the way out of the tailpipe.
This way the engine is using the same amount of fuel and you're getting a whole lot more power!
Doug...this is sounds like a load of marketing bullshit to me.
Doug...this is sounds like a load of marketing bullshit to me.
Are you saying that information is incorrect or a lie? Call Lou Belanger if you have any doubts.
Also, this exhaust was built to meet emissions requirements, something it does easily. On these new cars you would probably throw a CEL long before failing a sniffer test.
Are you saying that information is incorrect or a lie? Call Lou Belanger if you have any doubts.
Also, this exhaust was built to meet emissions requirements, something it does easily. On these new cars you would probably throw a CEL long before failing a sniffer test.
If a company was capable of improving engine performance and efficiency at the same time as meeting governmental emissions, you don't think they would? The reason Lou's headers can pass emissions is because they are able to carry enough heat to the cats fast enough to light them off in time for cold start performance (one of the reasons they don't use Stainless). There is no black magic where they can just dump the cats because the headers improve combustion that much, otherwise it would be OEM.
OBD2 compliant does not guarantee CARB approval either, so they are still illegal in CA as far I can tell. OBD just means it won't throw a code. The Hennessey headers don't throw codes either.
OBD2 compliant does not guarantee CARB approval either, so they are still illegal in CA as far I can tell. OBD just means it won't throw a code. The Hennessey headers don't throw codes either.[/QUOTE] The sniffer is all I'm worried about. The shop I use for smogs isent going to consider tearing apart the sills and whatnot to check and see what I have going on under there. Just want to make sure I'm not gonna have any problems before I dump a wad of cash on an exhaust.
Also you may have no choice other than headers..There seems to be a torque management restriction in the stock ECU.
When the ECU sees a spike in the torque numbers when you change gears its closing the throttle bodies, thus slowing the car. It will run fine as long as its a one gear run. Pick a gear, any gear, it pulls like a rocket and as soon as you shift up to the next gear the ECU slows the car... this is from a 08 with nitrous
It can also take up to a 1000 miles for the ecu to adjust to the headers and notice the full hp gains.....
The reason Lou's headers can pass emissions is because they are able to carry enough heat to the cats fast enough to light them off in time for cold start performance (one of the reasons they don't use Stainless). There is no black magic where they can just dump the cats because the headers improve combustion that much, otherwise it would be OEM..
Your statement is 100% incorrect. The car gets better mileage and uses less cats while making more power while not throwing any codes... they work and the proof is in the pudding.
People have a tendency to see what they want to see. Its a scientific fact. Saying someone is wrong doesn't make it so. The proof is in the pudding.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerome
Did you see all the posts about guys having problems with the CE light over at the VCA board?
Call Lou, see if he will even answer questions about that. Seems he just hangs up on people now.
Belanger Headers:
Phone: (623) 582-5900 • Toll Free: (877) 423-7878
I talk to Lou often and he's always more than willing to answer all of my questions in GREAT detail. I actually can't think of a single time when I've been unable to reach him.
Did you see all the posts about guys having problems with the CE light over at the VCA board?
Call Lou, see if he will even answer questions about that. Seems he just hangs up on people now.
I did see those posts, an dthats why I'm tryin gto do myhomework before purchasing anything. How about Hennessey setup? I have the Hennessey catback and have been really pleased with it. How about the headers and hiflow cats from him? Anyone with any experience with those? They pass smog or throw a CEL?
Did you see all the posts about guys having problems with the CE light over at the VCA board?
Call Lou, see if he will even answer questions about that. Seems he just hangs up on people now.
Actually it was just one guy......lol....it was because of this one guy that dodge insisted that belanger remove "factory tested" from his flyer because it implied that they were tested by dodge ...even tho dodge has used them on test cars...
I don't think anyone else from the vca board has had any issues... they add hp, sound great , tips even look good as they protrude a cm or so from the side ..You don't even need any heat shields..
I had a full Balenger exhaust system on my Gen 2, dyno certified +25 rwhp & +40 rwtq. Headers, hi-flow cats & catbacks and passed the Cali smog test with flying colors
Are you saying that information is incorrect or a lie? Call Lou Belanger if you have any doubts.
Also, this exhaust was built to meet emissions requirements, something it does easily. On these new cars you would probably throw a CEL long before failing a sniffer test.
Rick, I think the best thing to do is contact John yourself about his.
There was more than a few who spoke up with problems. If you go back and read all the posts, you will see just how many.
Only one guy had the balls to say it and when he did, others have also spoken after the fact.
QUOTE=u tell me;1039744]Actually it was just one guy......lol....it was because of this one guy that dodge insisted that belanger remove "factory tested" from his flyer because it implied that they were tested by dodge ...even tho dodge has used them on test cars...
I don't think anyone else from the vca board has had any issues... they add hp, sound great , tips even look good as they protrude a cm or so from the side ..You don't even need any heat shields..
Here is the vca thread that we are talking about....Not a single member of that board has had any problems with their belangers as u can see from that thread...Also woodhouse and dc performance have had no issue either as it states in that thread......
Rick530 dc performance is in california and if u call him he will tell u that the headers will not pass a visual inspection in California (sold as off road use, competition only) but will pass tailpipe emissions.
Your statement is 100% incorrect. The car gets better mileage and uses less cats while making more power while not throwing any codes... they work and the proof is in the pudding.
Hahaha...scientific fact my ass. Do you even have any idea how headers work? For one thing, they are going to limit reversion, especially since the Bellanger is a Tri-Y design. This is going to lower the effective forced EGR which will INCREASE nitrous oxide emissions due to hotter combustion. This hotter combustion does increase the amount of fuel burned, but not by much, and certainly not enough to give the power gains seen. Number 2, they are going to increase scavenging. This will pull more air fuel into the cylinders, but at certain RPM ranges is also going to pull some fresh charge out of the exhaust. The increased power comes mostly from the increased charge and some from the reduction in backpressure (which is the free HP/mileage you speak of). There is nothing magical about the headers decreasing unburned hydrocarbons out of the exhaust. With emissions regs being so hard, every manufacturer in the world would be using Tri-Y, long tube, headers on their cars if the benefits were what you said. Instead, the greatest thing you can do for emissions is limit your cold start emissions by decreasing exhaust heat that leaves your header. The Bellanger is mild steel and loses considerably less heat than Stainless steel, therefore keeping the cat lightof
[/IMG]
