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Old April 1st, 2008, 03:37 PM   #21
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Each pump will have its own circuit, relay, and fuse from the battery with its own ground wire to the chassis.

The only thing the stock fuel circuit will be doing is turning on the relays which requires less power than the stock setup.
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Old April 1st, 2008, 03:39 PM   #22
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nice work and well thought out. I hope you sell a lot of these
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Doug, it is a excellent work.
More innovations!
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Looks kinda like the LEP one that I sent you

Invoice#1094

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Old April 2nd, 2008, 03:34 PM   #27
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Looks kinda like the LEP one that I sent you

Invoice#1094

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I could post up comparative side by side pics. It has been sitting on the shelf since we decided not to use it because we saw a lot of room for improvement. Also, the one we have is for a gen 2 and this is gen 3, so copying it would be a bad idea right out of the box. I don't mean to be rude because that isn't a slam on you or your product at all, it just is what it is.

From looking at them anyone can tell that the only similarities between the two would be that they're both carved out of aluminum.
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I could post up comparative side by side pics. It has been sitting on the shelf since we decided not to use it because we saw a lot of room for improvement. Also, the one we have is for a gen 2 and this is gen 3, so copying it would be a bad idea right out of the box. I don't mean to be rude because that isn't a slam on you or your product at all, it just is what it is.

From looking at them anyone can tell that the only similarities between the two would be that they're both carved out of aluminum.
OK! Thanks for that.

PS: The LEP hanger fits both. GENI and GenII.

Another great design from RSI!!!LOL!

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I could post up comparative side by side pics. It has been sitting on the shelf since we decided not to use it because we saw a lot of room for improvement. Also, the one we have is for a gen 2 and this is gen 3, so copying it would be a bad idea right out of the box. I don't mean to be rude because that isn't a slam on you or your product at all, it just is what it is.

From looking at them anyone can tell that the only similarities between the two would be that they're both carved out of aluminum.
So RSI ordered a hanger from LEP to look at then copy.
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So RSI ordered a hanger from LEP to look at then copy.
No. I wasn't going to compare the two like this but to hopefully head off a big debate here are some pictures.

RSI Triple Fuel Pump Hanger:





LEP Hanger:


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i see room for improvement on both, ill be sure and post.
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It's ok to make your own product and do all your own R&D work,but to order LEP's hanger to get ideas from is not cool.But that the way the parts business works.
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It's ok to make your own product and do all your own R&D work,but to order LEP's hanger to get ideas from is not cool.But that the way the parts business works.
That isn't the way we work. Our hanger is based off the OEM hangers. Thats why we have one hanger per generation, they have slight variances.

Seeing something and going in a totally different direction (in terms of design and functionality) is the exact opposite of ripping people off.

We have strong connections with powerhouse racing and MVPmotorsports who have been making products like this for the last decade or so. I can post up pics of a powerhouse racing triple pump hanger and you'd see the kinship immediately.

We have no reason or desire to steal ideas
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It's an aluminum bracket to support a couple pumps and lines, not exactly a proprietary design by any stretch. (for anyone involved at this point) It's been done for years by other people with various cars/pumps etc.
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It's an aluminum bracket to support a couple pumps and lines, not exactly a proprietary design by any stretch. (for anyone involved at this point) It's been done for years by other people with various cars/pumps etc.
I agree but perhaps it would give some credence to Dougs claim if he admitted why he ordered and LEP unit in the first place.
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It's ok to make your own product and do all your own R&D work,but to order LEP's hanger to get ideas from is not cool.But that the way the parts business works.
Thats my point
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I wasn't speaking to you. Go back to quoting yourself sport.
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I agree but perhaps it would give some credence to Dougs claim if he admitted why he ordered and LEP unit in the first place.
To use I would suppose. The LEP hanger was ordered long before the RSI billet hanger was commissioned.

To those who don't know me, my name is Eric. Doug@RSI commissioned myself and my team to create a billet triple pump hanger his only requirements were that it [of course] have 3 pumps, look like a million bucks, and work flawless. Doug has NEVER sent us an LEP hanger to study, and [no disrespect to Garth] even if he had we'd not have worked with the LEP design. Our design was devised directly from the stock hanger as we purchased both the stock 2nd and 3rd gen hanger for the project.

I hope this settles the debate. Doug has done everything absolutely above board in the production of these triple pump hangers, and personally I think the design is head and shoulders above anything on the market thus far.

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To use I would suppose. The LEP hanger was ordered long before the RSI billet hanger was commissioned.

To those who don't know me, my name is Eric. Doug@RSI commissioned myself and my team to create a billet triple pump hanger his only requirements were that it [of course] have 3 pumps, look like a million bucks, and work flawless. Doug has NEVER sent us an LEP hanger to study, and [no disrespect to Garth] even if he had we'd not have worked with the LEP design. Our design was devised directly from the stock hanger as we purchased both the stock 2nd and 3rd gen hanger for the project.

I hope this settles the debate. Doug has done everything absolutely above board in the production of these triple pump hangers, and personally I think the design is head and shoulders above anything on the market thus far.

Thanks

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So did you folks have any input regarding other portions of RSI's notoriously "hot" fuel system setups as well.
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I agree but perhaps it would give some credence to Dougs claim if he admitted why he ordered and LEP unit in the first place.
Please see my previous post on this thread where I stated that originally we had no plans to make our own triple pump hanger. We ordered a unit from LEP and after we inspected it, we decided there was not only room for improvement but we felt some of its shortcomings were crucial enough to justify our own design.

Its hard to go into why we didn't use LEP's without looking like I'm slamming on their product and that just isn't how I like to do things. Their product is a great step in the right direction for a first generation design. However, over time, things should always improve, right? Isn't that how the world works? If we all quit innovating where would we be?

Again, my apology if this somehow appears as a slam to LEP, as its not. However, in fairness to everyone, there are several differences between the Racing Solutions unit and the LEP. It appears this needs to be discussed in an organized manner to avoid any confusion, so I will list some things out, drawing factual comparisons between the LEP unit and ours.

1. The LEP piece uses pinned terminals with soldered joints to deliver power to the pumps. These joints could be loosened over time by vibration and fall into the fuel tank and spark. Them being exposed unnecessarily to fuel in general makes me uneasy.

The Racing Solutions piece uses a fuel resistant rubber grommet that the wires are fed through to be wired to a fused relay circuit drawing power directly from the battery. I haven't built the wiring harnesses and relay packs yet but the schematics are drawn up so that the end user or shop doing the work can wire them up easily to relays and the OEM fuel pump circuit.

The wiring harnesses aren't far away and once built will make the system 100% safe as well as being plug and play.

2. The LEP piece uses worm gear clamps to retain the fuel pumps.

We use a CNC machined assembly with retainer screws

3. The LEP piece uses a slot to retain the fuel level sensor

The RSI piece has a precisely CNC machined housing for the fuel level sensor

4. The LEP piece is universal for gen 2 and 3 vipers

RSI Triple Pump Hangers are individually made for each generation of viper to ensure perfect fitment and functionality.

There is a large vent tube that plugs directly into the top of the hanger. Our gen 2 hanger has a port to accommodate this. The heights and level sensor placements are also different.

If we felt like the right way was to use one hanger for both cars it would be done.

5. LEP utilizes brass fittings threaded into the "hat" of the assembly with a "chamber" where all of the pumps pressurize and feed into one of 2 (depending on power level) fittings to distribute fuel.

RSI uses 3 -6 lines to send fuel to a distribution block on the way to the fuel rails. The underside of our "hat" connects the pumps via ports machined into the "hat". This eliminates the need for brass fittings.

Look at the pictures or come to our shop and I'll show you in person the two assemblies side by side.
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