Even a stock EVO will run away from a Viper with a launch for 99% of the drivers launching their viper. It's a no brainer with the AWD, the viper will hop/wheel spin 99 times out of a hundred, especially on the street.
Read any of the magazines that post the 0-60 runs in the Viper, all of them take NUMEROUS attempts on perfect conditions, a EV0, STI, 911 TURBO can all easily match their best times with an idiot driving. This is why in a real world setting from a standstill the new 911 turbo would embarrass a viper.
This is why in a real world setting from a standstill the new 911 turbo would embarrass a viper.
They're not as easy to launch as you might think. I went to the drags a couple weeks ago with my buddy who has a 600+ rwhp 996TT. He's a good driver. My 60' times were better than his all day.
They're not as easy to launch as you might think. I went to the drags a couple weeks ago with my buddy who has a 600+ rwhp 996TT. He's a good driver. My 60' times were better than his all day.
my cousin used to own a X50 996TT and we raced few and each time i pull 1-2 cars on him i was stock with only smooth tubes and K&N... not sure if its driver error thought.
They're not as easy to launch as you might think. I went to the drags a couple weeks ago with my buddy who has a 600+ rwhp 996TT. He's a good driver. My 60' times were better than his all day.
Even a stock EVO will run away from a Viper with a launch for 99% of the drivers launching their viper. It's a no brainer with the AWD, the viper will hop/wheel spin 99 times out of a hundred, especially on the street.
Read any of the magazines that post the 0-60 runs in the Viper, all of them take NUMEROUS attempts on perfect conditions, a EV0, STI, 911 TURBO can all easily match their best times with an idiot driving. This is why in a real world setting from a standstill the new 911 turbo would embarrass a viper.
Sure about that? stock evos are running low 12's to high elevens? Not around here they don't. Dumbass
stock evos run 13.5ish and with an air filter, raised boost, turbo back exhaust and a tune they run 12.5ish for less than 1k in mods, pretty good bang for the buck but the trap is pretty weak at ~ 110mph.
the 03-04 models have a built in 2-step but it's set higher than the rev limit so it's effectively disabled..well until a customer let's me tune and correct that
the 05+ have it set from the factory at 5000 which is a little too low for the track but on the street it's about right and if you dump the clutch the g-tech will hand out 1.75 60's all day long.
I have a slightly bigger turbo and lightweight flywheel (comes with the Exedy twin disc clutch) so I have to come out with a little more rpm to keep it from bogging. 5700 on the street and 6000 on a sticky track.
my tires are bald so the 60's went from a 1.75 to a 1.8x on the street but 1.65 is a piece of cake on a well prepped track and there's more in it, I'm only coming off the line at ~ 8psi. I pulled some timing in the 2-step load area and saw as much as 15psi a while back but I was on the street and it would have spun through first... pointless. I thought about trying that at the track on the sticky surface but was satisfied with it's performance and didn't want to push my luck.
Nice Evo, but with a more competent driver, the Viper would have pulled quite a bit more each and every time.
I totally agree that if he had shifted much faster it would have been very ugly for me, but he didn't, lucky me I guess.
I'm very consistent and rarely ever miss a gear but that comes from me racing/driving it daily whereas his viper gets driven a few times a month maybe???
I spoke to the owner this afternoon, he had the car on the lift and they found the broken motor mount so he's getting that fixed and he also said the run flats are down to the bars so he's going to get those fixed.
He said he wants to run me from a dig when that's fixed...it's going to get ugly for the viper.
Geez oh man.... Starting in the wrong gear just about every time (even 2 gears off at times), taking 2 seconds to shift, missing shifts, etc... Honestly, I don't even think it's fair to call this a race. I would be embarrassed to post such a video and claim any type of comparison. With an average driver in a Gen III with NO MODS, your looking at under 4 seconds to 60 and mid to high elevens in the 1/4 at 120-125 MPH. Consistantly.... This is with a stock Gen III 510 HP car, not the new 600HP beast. I just don't see this EVO in current state of tune/mods being even close, except 'maybe' to 60MPH with a mega clutch dump. Maybe. I'm guessing with your HP this would even be tough, not to mention what race ends at 60 MPH anyway? I know you know this (I think), but why not set the members straight on the EVO page? Are you trying to sell them something? If so, implying this car can even compete with a 525HP Gen III is a bit deceptive IMO. There's 4 pages of post where these guys think they are going to go out and rape stock Gen III's - LOL. They better hope they all race someone that takes 2 seconds to shift and starts in the wrong gear. BTW - It is VERY easy to launch the Viper without wheelspin or wheelhop. If you can't do this, you're not ready to race anyone.
In closing, why not race someone that has equal skills? In my mind you were Kramer in the kids karate class. Seinfield reference..... That is the ONLY way to get a comparo that is worth the bandwidth it is downloaded on....
Last edited by onerareviper : October 30th, 2007 at 09:36 PM.
I appreciate your observation and feedback... and let me give you a few facts:
the EVO does 1.65 60' and 0-60 in 3.5 on bald street tires and runs the 1/8th at 7.56 @ 94mph which would be deep into the 11's at ~ 119mph roughly ( going to the track thursday) so good viper driver or not, it's still going to be a handfull. The viper has been to the 1/4 mile track and made many passes, I believe the best was 120mph if I remember correctly with a best 60' of a 2.0x. and no runs in the 11's, but many low 12's. this was in the god awful summer heat so it might be better now.
I'm in no way boasting or bragging about my evo, just educating you a bit because you seem to be grossly ill informed about what they can do with a few mods. I didn't say my evo can beat every viper, I didn't even beat this one with the busted motor mounts and missed shifts so I'm not sure where you got that assumption from.
furthermore he was purposely starting in the next gear sometimes to reduce the amount of shifts he was having to go through since the shifter was out of place due to the busted mount (we didn't know what was going on at the time)
on some of the runs I brake boosted and on some I did not so you're going to see differences in the start of the runs too on my part.
it's not everyday that you get to race a viper in a town that has 10,000 people in the city so asking me to only race people that have equal skills is a bit silly. should I have stopped filming and drove away citing "sorry but you don't have the skills"
this wasn't an ego contest, it wasn't for money or bragging rights, it was simply a fun run, we're a couple of like minded car guys that can appreciate all things fast even if it isn't our cup o' tea and wanted to see how they stacked up from a Roll for shits and giggles
the Viper owner is well aware of my postings and we've discussed it on the phone to make sure I was giving an accurate account...I'm sure he'll chime in if he feels I've said something incorrectly
I totally agree that if he had shifted much faster it would have been very ugly for me, but he didn't, lucky me I guess.
I'm very consistent and rarely ever miss a gear but that comes from me racing/driving it daily whereas his viper gets driven a few times a month maybe???
Then I wouldn't go running around about how "ugly" things will be getting for the Viper if the guy can't drive. What is he going to do when you guys go from a dig? Launch at 6K RPM and wonder why his tires are spinning? Then we will see the "kill" video posted on here, I assume.
I have respect for (most) Evos. A bunch of my friends have them and they are pretty cool cars. Do you have a nice/fast car? Yes. Do you have a car that will be eating Vipers for lunch? Not so much.
Then I wouldn't go running around about how "ugly" things will be getting for the Viper if the guy can't drive. What is he going to do when you guys go from a dig? Launch at 6K RPM and wonder why his tires are spinning? Then we will see the "kill" video posted on here, I assume.
I have respect for (most) Evos. A bunch of my friends have them and they are pretty cool cars. Do you have a nice/fast car? Yes. Do you have a car that will be eating Vipers for lunch? Not so much.
he said himself that the evo would wear him out from a dig... he puts down 2.0 60's on the sticky track at best. so you tell me, how is he going to do on the street lol
I cut 1.75's on the street, like I said ..it's going to be "ugly"
I never said anything about eating all vipers for lunch... I'm talking about the car in the video. Several people are trying to turn this into a viper vs evo thread. It's not about that. It's just a video of a father and son having some fun on a sunny day, nothing more.
Very impressive. Nice evo
