And wanted isn't using slicks or DR's, he running the car in stock trim, period. Thats what will make the pass all the more exciting to see.
10s on street tires will be insane!! I would love to see that. Bone stock C6Z on stock tires was 11.2 and that was in perfect conditions and excellent driver.
Im gonna have to call BS on the barely aNY QUICKER THING...
Yes indeed these two reviews have the 2008 only 1 mph and 1 tenth faster than the C6z06...
BUT........
I can go find reviews of the gen3 SRT10 being faster than the C6Z06 at the drag strip..
And I can find a SRT-10 being equally fast or faster than a FGT on a drag strip, your point??
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The c6Z06 and SRT10 both ran 12.1 at 122 mph at the same track at the same day with the same drivers and there's even a video to prove it...
You and I both know that a C6 Z06 is faster than a SRT-10 Viper (03-06), so lets not play dumb..
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Reguardless of this video we know that an C6Z06 will usually trap 124 and the SRT10 will usualy trap 121 mph with average drivers...
hehe, not really. A Viper hardly traps at 121 mph. If you want to take the high end of the spectrum for the Viper's trap, make sure to do the same for the Z06. The Z06 traps 4-5 mph higher than the older Gen III's, and I know you know this. I don't care if you saw some grandma at the tarck that ran 13.0's at 120, you and I both know the SRT-10 is a 119-121 mph car while the Z06 is a 124-126 mph car. Big difference.
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There are 130 mph trapp speeds circulating the 2008 viper that hasnt hit the stands yet...
130>127 any way you slice it...
That is nice, but until that is out, then I will believe it. Until then, we can all pretend.
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At average tracks with average drivers the 2008 will be trapping 125-128 mph compared to the C6z06's 122-125 trapps..
JUST THINK C5Z06 VS GTS ALL OVER AGAIN AND NO THE ROLE
Again, not true, atleast not imo. I highly doubt the Viper will trap 3 mph higher in the 1/4. Atleast the recent tests don't show that at all. I am willing to bet that everytime these cars come across one another, it will be a VERY good race with the edge going to the Viper (assuming equal drivers)
gd- Have fun driving your UGLIEST hunk of shit Vette off a cliff, sperm cakes. Make sure you wipe your boyfriends' jizz off your face before you do, it'd be embarassing to inadvertently come out of the closet to a bunch of EMTs and firefighters piecing your ass back together.
123-124 mph is the high end of the spectrum for the gen3 SRT10..
A few mags got 123.7's and a few owners have hit that as well...
The most recent times for the gen3 SRT10 in reviews were 120-122 mph..
121 is a bit off from 123.7's...And an average driver in the SRT10 can go to a track and trapp 121...122 is pushing it and 123 is very rare but has been hit a by a few..
Just like 124 trapps for the C6z06 is a bit off from the 127.0 of the fastest mags..Yet Ranger actually hit a 127.2...
I CAN GO PULL UP YOUR FASTEST c6z06 LIST...MOST OF THEM ARE 120-123 MPH....far and away from Rangers 127..Actually none of the top 10 are even close to his 127...
Same day test most mags got 120-122 for the gen3 and 123-125 for the C6Z06....
The C6Z06 usually turned a 11.7-11.9 and the SRT10 usually turned a 12.0-12.2.....
I was talking to a Viper owning buddy today.......
the talk was about Hype....
The viper was king for so long that everyone just wanted to see it fall down...
When people talk of the C6Z06 it's all 11.6 at 127 and so fast and yada yada yada...The fastest times ever published..
But with the SRT10 people like to quote 12.1 at 120 mph...Even though the SRT10 has a FEW magazines that have hit 11.7-11.9 at 122-123.7 mph...
In 2005 when pitted against a Ford GT the SRT10 ripped an 11.7 at 123 mph to the Ford GT's 11.8 at 124 mph...
Actual owners have hit 11.7's and 123's bone stock..So why dont people go around quoting these times like they do the 11.6 at 127 Z06???????
Why dose everyone hoop and holler over the Z06 for Rangers 11.2 in 2007????
We had documented bone stock rt10's running 11.6's and 11.7's years ago...Yet people talk about them like they run 12.4's...
Well Im just happy that the Vipers back on top...Hopefully people will show the car the respect it deserves..
I think the first freeway vid of and 08 Viper putting 3-5 cars on a c6Z06 from a 70 mph roll to 150 mph will finally get the point across
Ranger is a farce. His Z06 is not as stock as he claims. In addition to that, the track he ran on has a slight descent and typically produces lower 1/4 mile times. I can't believe that so many people think that one guy is so special that he produces 1/4 mile times that are a 1/2 second quicker than everyone else in the world. He ain't no Don Garlitz; he's a Don Corleone.
I have both an '06 Viper and an '07 Z06. The vette is an everybody car but lacks the presence and quality of the Viper. They are very close in straight line performance but for whatever reason, my Viper is just a tad quicker than my Z06. Both are stock at the moment. Of all my friends, neighbors, etc. none has said they like the vette better. They all prefer the Viper. Handling? Please! At normal speeds both are fine. When pushed, the vette has this twitchy feel that is unnerving. The Viper wins easily. The vette interior is able to accomodate more people but if you are in good physical condition, the Viper fits great. I wanted to own both to see which car was truly better. If anybody is guessing that I might trade the Z06 in for an '08 Viper, you would be correct. The Viper is simply a far better quality car. Besides, it looks sooooo nice.
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Im gonna have to call BS on the barely aNY QUICKER THING...
Yes indeed these two reviews have the 2008 only 1 mph and 1 tenth faster than the C6z06...
BUT........
I can go find reviews of the gen3 SRT10 being faster than the C6Z06 at the drag strip..
As well only a month or so ago there was the video of the..
C6Z06
gen3 SRT10
Audi R8
911 TT
The c6Z06 and SRT10 both ran 12.1 at 122 mph at the same track at the same day with the same drivers and there's even a video to prove it...
Reguardless of this video we know that an C6Z06 will usually trap 124 and the SRT10 will usualy trap 121 mph with average drivers...
There are 130 mph trapp speeds circulating the 2008 viper that hasnt hit the stands yet...
130>127 any way you slice it...
At average tracks with average drivers the 2008 will be trapping 125-128 mph compared to the C6z06's 122-125 trapps..
JUST THINK C5Z06 VS GTS ALL OVER AGAIN AND NO THE ROLE
Well, we have 2 test results right now that show barely faster. Anything else is speculation at this point. I think the results are legit and it is what it is. The C&D test was a head to head comparison. What more do you want?
Ranger is a farce. His Z06 is not as stock as he claims. In addition to that, the track he ran on has a slight descent and typically produces lower 1/4 mile times. I can't believe that so many people think that one guy is so special that he produces 1/4 mile times that are a 1/2 second quicker than everyone else in the world. He ain't no Don Garlitz; he's a Don Corleone.
I have both an '06 Viper and an '07 Z06. The vette is an everybody car but lacks the presence and quality of the Viper. They are very close in straight line performance but for whatever reason, my Viper is just a tad quicker than my Z06. Both are stock at the moment. Of all my friends, neighbors, etc. none has said they like the vette better. They all prefer the Viper. Handling? Please! At normal speeds both are fine. When pushed, the vette has this twitchy feel that is unnerving. The Viper wins easily. The vette interior is able to accomodate more people but if you are in good physical condition, the Viper fits great. I wanted to own both to see which car was truly better. If anybody is guessing that I might trade the Z06 in for an '08 Viper, you would be correct. The Viper is simply a far better quality car. Besides, it looks sooooo nice.
Why don't you go ask Wanted about Ranger's integrity. For you to say Ranger is a farce proves to me you don't know anything. I am going to contact him about this post because this is rather slanderous.
Ranger and Wanted are both mythical creatures like a unicorn, or minataur!
I dont drag race at all and lap times on a road course are a much better gauge of overall handling, speed and performance in my book.(though it would be nice if i could make 1/4 mile passes like the two of them). Lap times of the C6 and SRT gen 3 have been about equal, with the subjective nod given to the Viper almost everytime, due to it's much more predictable and confidence inspiring handling.
Just something else to ponder why the hell wont GM give up on the transverse leaf spring rear suspension? Just guessing that a true coilover setup will handle much better.
Why don't you go ask Wanted about Ranger's integrity. For you to say Ranger is a farce proves to me you don't know anything. I am going to contact him about this post because this is rather slanderous.
And I can find a SRT-10 being equally fast or faster than a FGT on a drag strip, your point??
CU - I think I got his point just fine. I find it hard to believe someone could have missed such an obvious statement, but oh well.... The significance of several tests showing a 510 hp Viper pulling off 11.7 1/4 mile runs and matching, and in some cases esding out a Z06 is that if the car with 510 hp, crappy tires, slower shifter, less than ideal shift points etc can run those times, how on earth can you expect this same car with 100 extra hp (Dynos have already shown 614 crank... Check the Morgue), better tires, smoother shifting, better in just about every way imaginable, to show only marginal improvements in acceleration?
Hmm... Doesn't make much sense does it? The fact that you admitted you could find tests showing the SRT faster than a FGT just further strengthens the Viper posittion here, as you just verified what everyone has been saying. Namely, that there are mags out there with drivers who simply are not qualified to extract every iota of power from the vehicle. Since when has Car and Driver or Edmunds been known for posting stellar times? Yea, I would say that it is safe to assume that we are about to see some much quicker times soon.... "
You and I both know that a C6 Z06 is faster than a SRT-10 Viper (03-06), so lets not play dumb..
CU - "Yes, the ZO6 was a bit quicker in a straight line... BTW, have you watched the digital overlay of the Z06 vs. the SRT10 put out by Motor Trend several months back? They ran the vehicles on the same track the same day with all their fancy tracking equipment... The SRT and the Z06 passed the finish line almost at the exact same time. Even in the straights, the Z06 did not show itself to be the dominating machine you claim it is."
hehe, not really. A Viper hardly traps at 121 mph. If you want to take the high end of the spectrum for the Viper's trap, make sure to do the same for the Z06. The Z06 traps 4-5 mph higher than the older Gen III's, and I know you know this. I don't care if you saw some grandma at the tarck that ran 13.0's at 120, you and I both know the SRT-10 is a 119-121 mph car while the Z06 is a 124-126 mph car. Big difference.
CU - "WTH is this statement? Barely traps at 121? Um, what are you, in denaial? You are taking the highest ever posted trap speed for the Vette, and completely discounting the highest for the Viper!!! Wow, didn't know you were that desperate. Would you like to see some 123 - 124 mph traps for the SRT? I'll post them for you if you can only believe in what is staring you right in the face. No, the Vette posts about 2.5 - 3 mph more than the SRT, unlesss of course you are looking at the times posted by that same grandma driving the Viper after she was done with the Vette.... Get real bud!"
That is nice, but until that is out, then I will believe it. Until then, we can all pretend.
CU - "Pretend huh? So when the times are released and posted what will you have to say? Will you do the same thing that you did above and completely ignore the highest times and latch on to the slower times?"
Again, not true, atleast not imo. I highly doubt the Viper will trap 3 mph higher in the 1/4. Atleast the recent tests don't show that at all. I am willing to bet that everytime these cars come across one another, it will be a VERY good race with the edge going to the Viper (assuming equal drivers)
CU - "So you are saying theat a car that has more than 100 more hp, better tires, and is within 250 -280 pounds of the Z cannot add 3 mph to its trap???? WOW!!! Infuriatingly in denial!! I guess that extra 100+ hp was just all a ploy. Most of it is being used to keep the Vipers roof attached. We wouldn't want to walk away red faced like the Vette owners who lovingly ejected their adhesive drenched roofs onto the highway racing towards oncoming traffic... "
hey i kinda lke the roof coming off, only way to get fresh air in your hair in the General's fastest product (till the C6 Z06 vert comes out). A friend of mine said he saw one at Wooward dream cruise driving around with M-plates, i looked and never saw it.
Lol...Here we go again....I remember when the C6 Z06 first came out alot of the mag tests had it beating the Viper by as much as 2+ seconds around a roadcourse.....I simply laughed my ass off that after the C6 Z hype died down a bit[along with GM's under the table money] all of a sudden the mags were reporting much closer times between the two with the Viper winning quite a few.......What more proof do you need of the mags corrupt testing procedures.....Money talks......
Even in this C&D comparo they had no choice but to post faster numbers. Hell the old car was right there so with 90 more hp it had to at keast edge out the Golden Boy Vette..bet the GM money made them forget about performance and judged two hardcore performance machines based on ergonomics and interior lol......They made it close in performance but Vette wins by an interior WTF.....Wait till the hype dies down again and you will start to see a clearer margin of victory by the Viper in the rags.....But they wont be as great as what the owners will be putting down....
LOL --- How nice of GM to offer it as a FREE option!! lol
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hey i kinda lke the roof coming off, only way to get fresh air in your hair in the General's fastest product (till the C6 Z06 vert comes out). A friend of mine said he saw one at Wooward dream cruise driving around with M-plates, i looked and never saw it.
Edmunds tested the Viper and got an 11.8@125 and the best for the Z06 came in at 11.9@124 (2nd test). Now in C&D, the Z06 ran a 11.7@125 and the Viper runs an 11.6@126. It looks like the Viper will be HARDLY any quicker than the Z06.
But it does seem like the Viper is significantly quicker on the race track.
That's just not true. They do their testing on a giant concrete patch. Of course you don't see the fastest times because the surface is not optimal. It cracks me up everytime a new rag test comes out and all the internet drag racers start with the "those times suck! I know a guy who's cousin's grandma's uncle ran 11.XX @ 129 BONE stock 900 feet below sea level!". I've seen plenty of Gen II Vipers run high 12's at my local track, and it's not because they are the worst driver in the world.
This should not be news to people. When every magazine starts testing their cars on a dragstrip slathered with VHT below sea level, let me know.
Well, we have 2 test results right now that show barely faster. Anything else is speculation at this point. I think the results are legit and it is what it is. The C&D test was a head to head comparison. What more do you want?
Exactly
Tornado has a denial issue with the C6 Z06 and just can't accept facts. Always trying to convince everyone that the SRT-10 is only 2 mph slower in the 1/4 mile, and now trying to convince everyone that it is 5 mph faster.
Facts are facts and the facts are that the SRT-10 has trapped a best of 123 from a magazine source and the Z06 has trapped a best of 127 from a magazine source. The SRT traps, on average at 120 and the Z06 traps, on average, 124. Period. That is not even close.
Facts are that the 08 Viper, up to date from two different mag testings, show that it is .1 sec and 1 mph faster than the C6 Z06. Don't take away from the facts dude. You can tell me what you *think* all day, but that doesn't mean much. Stick to the facts and the facts are that the Viper in a head to head test was HARDLY any faster in a straight line.
As far as roadcourse, people are forgetting something in this test. The Z06 tested was a pre 08 Z06 that doesn't have the improved transmission nor does it have the improved steering which would make difference. Couple that with a pair of non runfalts and you got yourself a race!! But, we will have to wait and see what happens with that as right now, it would just be speculation. Lets wait to see an 08 Z06 vs. 08 Viper and then we can talk roadcourse times.
Tornado has a denial issue with the C6 Z06 and just can't accept facts. Always trying to convince everyone that the SRT-10 is only 2 mph slower in the 1/4 mile, and now trying to convince everyone that it is 5 mph faster.
Facts are facts and the facts are that the SRT-10 has trapped a best of 123 from a magazine source and the Z06 has trapped a best of 127 from a magazine source. The SRT traps, on average at 120 and the Z06 traps, on average, 124. Period. That is not even close.
Facts are that the 08 Viper, up to date from two different mag testings, show that it is .1 sec and 1 mph faster than the C6 Z06. Don't take away from the facts dude. You can tell me what you *think* all day, but that doesn't mean much. Stick to the facts and the facts are that the Viper in a head to head test was HARDLY any faster in a straight line.
As far as roadcourse, people are forgetting something in this test. The Z06 tested was a pre 08 Z06 that doesn't have the improved transmission nor does it have the improved steering which would make difference. Couple that with a pair of non runfalts and you got yourself a race!! But, we will have to wait and see what happens with that as right now, it would just be speculation. Lets wait to see an 08 Z06 vs. 08 Viper and then we can talk roadcourse times.
but i could go and say the same thing about Vette guys...he has a point....Vette guys like to say oh, 127mph trap speeds...has run an 11.6...but if Viper guys go and try to pull facts like that you say "well the average mag times are slower...." its a double standard...as was pointed out there is a test of a STOCK Gen II RT/10 that ran an 11.77....but this would not be accepted as the stock 1/4 mile ET by most people...
were the tests we are currently getting run at the same track by the same driver? if not they are thrown out the window in my book....not to mention you are comparing 11.6's ran by Z06's at the track to mag testers running on less well prepared surfaces....you can't make these comparisons....
also forget the run flats argument...stock vs stock for a magazine all that matters is STOCK...and stock EVERYTHING including rubber....idc what tires are on it, when you buy the car GM installs runflats....Viper guys tried to make the run flats argument for years that numbers would be closer if the Viper was allowed to use normal tires but the Vette guys didn't want to hear it....ET's and trap speeds tend to get better as the mags have more time with a car...well they have had the C6's for quite some time...and the first time down the track with the new Viper it is faster AND its quite a bit quicker around a road course....the gap should only widen over time....
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