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Old March 23rd, 2007, 09:29 PM   #21
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wasn't this the point of the DIY $12,000 TT system everyone was 'working' on?
10k in parts, 2k in profit, A hope, and A Prayer.
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Old March 23rd, 2007, 09:43 PM   #22
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Damn, you are a smart businessman! However, Hennessey has you topped since he charges 225k for a turbo Viper; talk about a tuner on crack! Maybe Heffner's Performance can explain how a turbo setup costs as much as a complete, new corvette. I don't mean to be disrespectful. Your reputation is stellar. I just don't understand the enormity of the prices for such work.
The way I see it as far as those tuners are concerned...

Hot Rod>Hennessey

And who ever herd of getting all the parts and not planning out your build? Of course the stock motor wont hold 1000 HP. Not even close, RSI had a TT SRT and was around 725 at best. Anything more and its just downhill from there. A strong motor build bottom to top will do many wonders for a TT set up.
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Old March 24th, 2007, 04:36 PM   #23
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I am not debating that the motor has to be built up to handle a turbo setup. I am just perplexed as to why it is so expensive to do.
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Old March 24th, 2007, 05:06 PM   #24
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I am not debating that the motor has to be built up to handle a turbo setup. I am just perplexed as to why it is so expensive to do.
take the time to price the parts yourself and THEN come back and ask the question. obviously you haven't b/c you haven't noticed that parts alone can be 12k+.
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Old March 24th, 2007, 07:38 PM   #25
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I'm quite sure Jason Heffner went into business to break even. Why make a profit? I hear it is extremely overrated.
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Old March 25th, 2007, 03:09 AM   #26
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parts @ 12k what size turbos is that? fuel & computer more?

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Old March 25th, 2007, 07:57 AM   #27
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parts @ 12k what size turbos is that? fuel & computer more?
KepRght, the 12K one tuner charges does not even include the engine management or fuel system parts!

By the time you add the AEM, injector driver box, rails and injectors, fittings, lines, fuel pump/boost-a-pump, fuel pressure regulator, mounting hardware and such, it's not cheap.

Now take into account the Viper is a much harder on which to fabricate anything as compared to say, a Mustang.

I have fabricated several different turbo systems for Mustangs.

The Viper's Tube-chassis layout frame makes it a lot harder to get anything done.

The whole bottom of a Mustang is wide open making the fabrication/fitment and installation MUCH easier.

The front mount TT's are more complex, have more parts and are more involved from an installation standpoint than the footwell systems as well.
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Old March 25th, 2007, 11:10 AM   #28
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So, the parts cost about 12k and the labor about 30-45k; good to know.
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Old March 25th, 2007, 11:29 AM   #29
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For $30,000 you can build a turbo motor with Heffner and not worry about it blowing up. Is it worth the money? It is a no brainer Sadistic it is worth every penny & that equals more smiles per miles. You have fully understand what is involved to appreciate the quality and workmanship that go into making a Viper a kick ass reliable beast.
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Old March 25th, 2007, 12:03 PM   #30
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no shit theres a diff between 750 and 1000 hp, but like I said I dont want the motor pulled apart, so 750 will do, not o well its close enough.
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Old March 25th, 2007, 02:47 PM   #31
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For $30,000 you can build a turbo motor with Heffner and not worry about it blowing up. Is it worth the money? It is a no brainer Sadistic it is worth every penny & that equals more smiles per miles. You have fully understand what is involved to appreciate the quality and workmanship that go into making a Viper a kick ass reliable beast.
Actually, Heffner has 3 levels of turbo, with the highest one being over 1000rwhp and 60k.
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Old March 25th, 2007, 04:32 PM   #32
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theres a diff between 750 and 1000 hp, but like I said I dont want the motor pulled apart, so 750 will do, not o well its close enough.
Then sell it, get a forged Gen 2 and "settle" at 950 RW.

On another note, why is everyone so surprised how expensive built/TT set ups are? These are Vipers not Civics or Camaro's. A full on TT build to get the 1200-1600+ RWHP that everyone wants is going to cost some $$$. It's also a bad idea of course to do a build like that and leave the rest of the car alone like suspension/wheels and chassis.
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Old March 25th, 2007, 05:21 PM   #33
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parts required for 1000HP TT
12,000 turbo parts
2,500 aem
2,000 fuel
4,000 beefed short block
X,XXX labor or DIY
20,500 total w/o labor

other "smart" upgrades
xxx half shafts
xxx half shaft loops
xxx drive shaft loop
x,xxx clutch/flywheel
x,xxx heads/cam
x,xxx cooling system mods
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Old March 26th, 2007, 02:45 PM   #34
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Unfortunately in most cases tuners can only charge what the market will bare which is why the prices on some of these upgrades are so low. If everyone could charge what the jobs were really worth the prices would be significantly higher.

SVS just finished a job for a local customer that totaled over $220,000.00. I think they probably had more than $10,000.00 in parts though.
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Old March 26th, 2007, 03:18 PM   #35
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is svs a non profit organization as well?
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LOL!! I won't be calling SVS any time soon.
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Old March 26th, 2007, 05:08 PM   #37
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SVS just finished a job for a local customer that totaled over $220,000.00. I think they probably had more than $10,000.00 in parts though.
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Old March 26th, 2007, 05:16 PM   #38
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what the fuck does $220,000 get you? Id take a stock viper and merci for that kinda money
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Old March 27th, 2007, 08:12 AM   #39
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What's funny is you guys don't even know what went into that car and you're already saying that the price is too high. It's like if I were to go to a home builder and ask him for a price on a particular house and he tells me two million dollars. Then my response is "Holy cow! I could buy that house down the road and an Enzo for that kind of money." Nevermind that the one house is 7000 sf and overlooks the golf course and the other is 1500 sf overlooking a highway. I mean how much could the builder possibly have in parts for a two million dollar house? All he needs is some wood, some tile, a few appliances and fixtures. All of that couldn't come to more than 100,000 and the rest is profit right?
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