The new 08 Viper engine has evolved into a more sophisticated piece then the previous V10 platforms. The 08 engine has variable valve timing, drive by wire throttle and coil on plug ignition. There's alot of talk about the complexity of the new engine ECU and its controls. I know that Motec for a long time has been suited for these types of controls.
We've already discussed the steps we will take to have complete control over the new engine, especially the variable valve timing.
We have incorporated traction control (by 4 wheel speed sensors/trigger wheels) integral with the Motec EMS. If power upgrades are added on any Vipers 2001-2006 and Motec is utilized for engine management we can add traction control as an integral part of the system. I'm fairly certain they didn't change the ABS system on the 08's and we should be able to do the same.
I understand Motec isn't for everyone but if you want the above mentioned options to be added and/or controlled then we know Motec is the most complete and reliable ECU system available.
Ron, do you think this new engine will be FI freindly?
Time will tell, but for now it seems that it would be low boost friendly on the stock platform. For a stock engine T3's would be suitable along with precise and reliable engine management.
I'm curious if you guys even know the extent of what will be controlled with the VVT and how you can be absolutely certain motec will be able to fully utilize it. Knowing a bit about the "cam in cam" system and the sensors/solenoids involved it is not going to be something that is easily mapped by the aftermarket.
Definitely something I wouldn't be thrilled with being the guinea pig to develop. You guys might want to have something functioning before you go making open ended promises and sales pitches.
it's just bad form... not that you've ever been above that so this shouldn't surprise anyone.
I'm curious if you guys even know the extent of what will be controlled with the VVT and how you can be absolutely certain motec will be able to fully utilize it. Knowing a bit about the "cam in cam" system and the sensors/solenoids involved it is not going to be something that is easily mapped by the aftermarket.
Definitely something I wouldn't be thrilled with being the guinea pig to develop. You guys might want to have something functioning before you go making open ended promises and sales pitches.
it's just bad form... not that you've ever been above that so this shouldn't surprise anyone.
Our confidence comes from the people that are already doing it in the real world, not your fantasy internet world. Taking advice from a NOBODY like you on the internet is a blind mice parade.
We've already been reassured
It's so obvious by this comment you made that you don't know shit
Our confidence comes from the people that are already doing it in the real world, not your fantasy internet world. Taking advice from a NOBODY like you on the internet is a blind mice parade.
We've already been reassured
It's so obvious by this comment you made that you don't know shit
It's only your ASSumption that I'm a nobody. Ass being the key word there. Thats one thing about this internet world, you don't always know who is lurking behind the keyboard.
How many of these companies (both aftermarket and OE) have their R&D HQ located in SoCal? Might that be a very distinct reason some of us reside here. Ponder that over for a bit. I know quite a bit about the new viper vvt system, so I AM speaking from PERSONAL experience. Not what you've been "reASSured" by a group of sales guy.
Yeah sure they tell you it can do it... but it hasn't been done, nobody in the aftermarket has even seen it yet let alone had their hands on one to play with. So thats a pretty substantial claim.
Much like the completion of Trent's car, I don't believe shit till I see a tangible product.
Then again this is all coming from the guys who claim to make 1750rwhp yet only trap 160's... figure that one out.
As well, I'm not the one trying to fuck people out of huge $$, so I have nothing to lose here. But it is rather fantastic to get a barage of PM's from other members laughing their asses off as I continue to give you two a SRK size rogering.
It's only your ASSumption that I'm a nobody. Ass being the key word there. Thats one thing about this internet world, you don't always know who is lurking behind the keyboard.
How many of these companies (both aftermarket and OE) have their R&D HQ located in SoCal? Might that be a very distinct reason some of us reside here. Ponder that over for a bit. I know quite a bit about the new viper vvt system, so I AM speaking from PERSONAL experience. Not what you've been "reASSured" by a group of sales guy.
Yeah sure they tell you it can do it... but it hasn't been done, nobody in the aftermarket has even seen it yet let alone had their hands on one to play with. So thats a pretty substantial claim.
Much like the completion of Trent's car, I don't believe shit till I see a tangible product.
Then again this is all coming from the guys who claim to make 1750rwhp yet only trap 160's... figure that one out.
As well, I'm not the one trying to fuck people out of huge $$, so I have nothing to lose here. But it is rather fantastic to get a barage of PM's from other members laughing their asses off as I continue to give you two a SRK size rogering.
You're a nobody a nobody that hides and acts like they're somebody
To top it off a nobody that can't even get the facts straight
Last edited by SVS Turbo : March 22nd, 2007 at 05:29 PM.
how big is the difference between the motec and aem tuning interface? i have messed with aem, vec2, and LSedit
The Motec has evolved longer and inproved on the quality of its interface. The last time we tuned with an AEM was a couple years ago so I'm not sure how theirs has evolved.
Back then the difference was like night and day in quality.
There are many differences in which the first will be $
I can explain why I think it's worth it at any level of power
If the VVT complicates FI, maybe the new VVT cam can just be pulled out and replaced by something else? The VVT's basically all in the cam (cam in cam).
" As commanded by the engine's ECU, a hydraulic actuator built into the cam sprocket alters the lobe separation angle between the intake and exhaust lobes up to 40 crankshaft degrees, while a sensor at the rear of the camshaft keeps track of it all..."
- Hot Rod Magazine, May 2007
Last edited by FE065 : March 24th, 2007 at 11:32 PM.
You choose to be scared about it that's your choice.
I choose to solve it that's my choice.
I've already been doing the homework and the future is excellent to have control over it.
The difference between your thoughts and mine are that you haven't been tuning with Motec for 10 years
Forgive me for not bowing before the all powerful SVS. While I did consider SVS for my supercharger work back in 2000, your customers (even back then) suggested that i go elsewhere.
If all I've got to go on is the word of your customers and your confidence that you can do it, color me skeered. But I'll be one of the first to pat you on the back when you boldly go where no other tuner has gone before.
Time will tell, and I hope that you are successful. AND I hope you make a happy customer in the process.
what is the 'sale' price on the base motec with harness?
aem chimes in at 2400 + options. Knock Sensors, WIde Bands, Boost monitor.
To justify the price difference, what advantages(summary) are there at each power/application level NA600/SC800/TT1100? Obviously tuning the VVT is usefull for 08+.
I am mid project & will be purchasing some sort of tuning device for the heads/cam setup, with plans to TT next year. I am leaning twords AEM right out of the gate so i can learn it inside and out. I am in IT, have a Laptop & learn new software daily. I am interested in tuning the car myself & knowing everything inside and out.
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