Could the new 2008 Viper and the C6 Z06 really be a drivers race??
600 HP * .85 (15% drive train loss) = 510 rwhp
Magazine estimated a curb weight of 3400 lbs. So, 3400 / 510 = 6.6
C6 Z06:
3132 / 455 = 6.8
Viper has a slight better power/weight, but not by much. Plus, the Z06 has a little more aggressive gear still (3.42 vs. the Vipers 3.07). I think it will be a lot closer than we all think. Can't wait to see some road tests!!
With a .2 w/p ratio, it would be a driver's race....even though the Viper would be faster.
However, I'm not so sure those are the numbers. I'm willing to bet it will lose more than 15% through the drivetrain, and there's a POSSIBILITY it may only be 580bhp.
Then there's also the possibility it will be highly under-rated (although Dodge doesn't seem to have a history of doing that recently).
It depends on what magazine you read. One mag stated that the Z06 weighs 3240, which makes it 200 pounds lighter than the current Viper. I am not sure which weight is correct (3140 or 3240). The fact is that the Viper is a far better platform for modifications and is built ten times better. The orange peel paint job on Z06's is horrendous. The interior is lifeless and cheap. The steering wheel blows. The wheels are cast and the Vipers are forged. The Viper is shockingly beautiful while the Z06 looks nice from some angles and like a hack job from others. The Viper has beaten the ever living piss out of it in performance for 13 years running. The Z edged it out in acceleration (not as a road racer) for one year. Lets face it, the corvette is just a bitch that climbed on top for one romp. She's back on the bottom, getting drilled as god intended her to be. Now all we have to do is tell all the Z owners to put the lipstick back on and reassume their proper roles.
Last edited by Sadistic : December 28th, 2006 at 08:41 PM.
Let me start off by saying I have a gen2 viper, gen3 viper, and a viper truck. I have never owned a corvette...
Lets take a look at the HP war.....BTW, I don't care about flywheel hp, rear wheel all the way!
Z06 3100 lbs 460 RWHP some have more
.1483 power to weight ratio(the higher the number the better)
NEW Viper 3400 lbs and if they stick to the below par drivetrain loss of the gen3 510HP flywheel equals 430 RWHP ~16% driveline loss then lets look at the new viper 600HP flywheel equals 504RWHP
.1482 power to weight ratio
If the info above is correct then my thought is with equal drivers the Z06 and the viper would be really close but unfortunately the z06 would probably win. No blow out here for sure!
HOwever, lets go back to the good ol days when creampuffs came out with 415-425rwhp stock at 450 flywheel horsepower. WAY UNDER RATED JUST LIKE THE VETTE!
2008 viper 540-550 rwhp and the rumored 200lbs weight loss
.1718 power to weight ratio
Now that would be a huge blow out! Lets hope it is like the good ol days!!!
It depends on what magazine you read. One mag stated that the Z06 weighs 3240, which makes it 200 pounds lighter than the current Viper. I am not sure which weight is correct (3140 or 3240). The fact is that the Viper is a far better platform for modifications and is built ten times better. The orange peel paint job on Z06's is horrendous. The interior is lifeless and cheap. The steering wheel blows. The wheels are cast and the Vipers are forged. The Viper is shockingly beautiful while the Z06 looks nice from some angles and like a hack job from others. The Viper has beaten the ever living piss out of it in performance for 13 years running. The Z edged it out in acceleration (not as a road racer) for one year. Lets face it, the corvette is just a bitch that climbed on top for one romp. She's back on the bottom, getting drilled as god intended her to be. Now all we have to do is tell all the Z owners to put the lipstick back on and reassume their proper roles.
Z06 weighs in at 3132 lbs, atleast teh 1LZ does.
And it stomps the current Viper in a straight line. There is a .3-.5 secs in favor to the Z06 up to the 1/4 and a 3-4 mph difference. The gap only widens as the speeds increases. But, let us get back on topic here, PERFORMANCE. If I wanted to know your opinion on the paint and the histrory between the two, I would have asked.
Let me start off by saying I have a gen2 viper, gen3 viper, and a viper truck. I have never owned a corvette...
Lets take a look at the HP war.....BTW, I don't care about flywheel hp, rear wheel all the way!
Z06 3100 lbs 460 RWHP some have more
.1483 power to weight ratio(the higher the number the better)
NEW Viper 3400 lbs and if they stick to the below par drivetrain loss of the gen3 510HP flywheel equals 430 RWHP ~16% driveline loss then lets look at the new viper 600HP flywheel equals 504RWHP
.1482 power to weight ratio
If the info above is correct then my thought is with equal drivers the Z06 and the viper would be really close but unfortunately the z06 would probably win. No blow out here for sure!
HOwever, lets go back to the good ol days when creampuffs came out with 415-425rwhp stock at 450 flywheel horsepower. WAY UNDER RATED JUST LIKE THE VETTE!
2008 viper 540-550 rwhp and the rumored 200lbs weight loss
.1718 power to weight ratio
Now that would be a huge blow out! Lets hope it is like the good ol days!!!
This is the interesting part. Can't wait to find out just how much rwhp this car is going to put down.
The FGT weights 3400 pounds and has 550hp (underrated) and it beats the Z06 easily in a drag race. The weight distribution is slightly rear biased but not as much as you would think.
That being said there is much more to racing than hp/lb ratios and bench racing off of unconfirmed rag estimates seems quite foolish.
I am willing to bet that it will be a drivers race. We will see the numbers soon. I think it will run from 0-150 in the 17's and trap at 125-127 just like the current Z06. We will see.
The FGT weights 3400 pounds and has 550hp (underrated) and it beats the Z06 easily in a drag race. The weight distribution is slightly rear biased but not as much as you would think.
Really? Show me one video of a bone stock FGT running an 11.5 or better on the factory street tires.
I can show you about 4-5 vids, atleast, of C6 Z06's running that time, and, I can show you a vid of me beating a FGT from a roll with a very experienced driver behind the wheel of the GT who happens to take part of this forum. But, I'd rather not get into that and stay on topic..
Really? Show me one video of a bone stock FGT running an 11.5 or better on the factory street tires.
I can show you about 4-5 vids, atleast, of C6 Z06's running that time, and, I can show you a vid of me beating a FGT from a roll with a very experienced driver behind the wheel of the GT who happens to take part of this forum. But, I'd rather not get into that and stay on topic..
Completely agreed. Getting back to the topic at hand, I think one important fact was left out and should be addressed. While the 2008 Viper should certainly regain the title of King of the road with the current c6 z06, under the assumption horsepower and specs being what are quoted currently are maintained. However, we are missing one small issue. If we are in fact comparing, "Top dawgs" from both camps, and the new z06 (blue devil) z06R or whatever it is labeled does in fact make it to production, and assuming it hits the specs that are being reported, its going to be a completely new ball game. But seriously, who plans on leaving any of these cars stock?
In most mag articals (MT...C/D ect) The viper and the Z06 are so close in road course times. Yes, the vette would take the win...but not by much. The viper would out handle the Z06. Now with the extra hp...in road races...the viper will pull off the win hands down.
In a drag race I think the viper will take the win here as well. Because the viper makes soooo much more Tq than a Zo6. It will get the jump because of the mid range punch and hold onto the lead.
But forget about the Z06....I want to see Viper vs N/A S7 vs FGT. I love the viper...but I think the S7 would take the win in that race.
Won't be close. Rumors are 200 pounds lighter = 3180 pounds. Give or take about the same weight as the current Z06 and nearly 100 more HP. Plus way more torque. The Viper already handles + brakes better than the Z06 with run craps, now remove 200 pounds/slap better tires/add 90HP + Torque. Bye, bye Z06. Bring on the Blue Devil/SS.
Sorry but the current Z06 walks away from the SRT.....
Have you ever been to a race track in your life? Not a dragstrip where any bonehead can put their foot to the gas and "traction control" their ass all day long, but a real track that actually requires some talent?
The current SRT and Z06 come down to driver skill. Pure and simple. Unless the Z06 still has stock calipers then it's going to pit by the third lap while the Viper fries off lap after lap until the tank is empty.
I'll be at Moroso next month. Come see for yourself.
For me it all comes down to price. If the viper does have the power they are stating that's great. But if the price comes in at 100k or more with only slightly better performance then it's just not worth it. Especially when it looks pretty much the same. You could get a 03 for 50k, spend 10k and get the hp the new model has and I'm sure you will be able to buy the hood also. If Chevy does bring the Blue Devil and Dodge doesn't get to hold the title again that will be a shame. I think a completly different look is what everybody is wanting.
