The Ford GT is in a class by itself for american made cars due to it's price. Even so, the new Viper will probably out perform that as well.
That being said, I would still take a Ford GT over a Viper in a heart beat if they were close in price. I love that car, but not enough to pay twice what a Viper cost.
I admire your scientific approach, but consider this: DC specifically targeted the Z06 as "the car to beat" when they designed the '08. They had the luxury of being able to test directly against the Z and continue tweaking until they were absolutely certain that the new Viper would beat the current Z by a comfortable margin. Considering the embarrassment that DC would suffer if the new Viper doesn't beat the current Z, I'm sure the SRT guys realized that their jobs depend on putting a beat down on GM. I would bet the farm that the '08 Viper will easily dominate the Z in every performance category.
You, are right, it would be suicide for the SRT guys to not blow the z06 out of the water. The Viper will blow the z06 out of the water easily if it revs higher, has better gearing, and loses some weight. If all those factors are implemented into the new viper, it will not even be close in a straight line. However, if Chrysler makes some poor design choices, namely, not refining the gearing of the car. Then, it could be very close in a straight line. Count me as rooting for the Viper; I hope it completely blows the Z06 out of the water in every category.
I just think its funny that all the vette guys bring up the point of Vipers dropping in value!
WTF, all cars depreciate BUT vettes are pros at it. Check Ebay! a 5 year old Z06 goes for 20 to 25 K half of original price (and it will continue to tank in value)
A 5 year old viper goes for 50K. Thats a 35% to 40% drop and its going to stay there.
A 10 year GTS cost 65K new and sell for 40 to 45K on the low side. and as high as 55K.
Vette boys, stop bringing up the depreciation arguement, you can't win
If the new Viper is head and toes above the Z06 in every category, then (IMHO) it will make older Vipers drop in value somewhat. Because, of a cascading effect, current gen3 or gen2 guys upgrading to the new viper. Many of the current Viper owners wanting to upgrade will sell their current Viper to upgrade to the new Viper. So, this will bring more Vipers to the market thus increasing supply. This in turn will lower prices of older Vipers. My prediction is assuming the new viper will be priced similarly to the current 2006 Viper. I am not hating on Vipers. This pattern occurs everywhere in the market whenever a better product comes out. I want to buy GTS so, for me it is beneficial for the new Viper to be better than the Z06. The better the new Viper is the more interest it will generate thus creating more potential buyers. By the way, I never said anything good about corvette depreciation. I haven’t really looked at vette prices in a while but I’m sure the C6 and the C6 Z06 made the C5 Z06 drop in value substantially, and all other vettes for that matter. Only the classic and the collectables will not be affected. I would be willing to bet the GTS ACR will not change much in price because it is a special model.
If the new Viper is head and toes above the Z06 in every category, then (IMHO) it will make older Vipers drop in value somewhat. Because, of a cascading effect, current gen3 or gen2 guys upgrading to the new viper. Many of the current Viper owners wanting to upgrade will sell their current Viper to upgrade to the new Viper. So, this will bring more Vipers to the market thus increasing supply. This in turn will lower prices of older Vipers. My prediction is assuming the new viper will be priced similarly to the current 2006 Viper. I am not hating on Vipers. This pattern occurs everywhere in the market whenever a better product comes out. I want to buy GTS so, for me it is beneficial for the new Viper to be better than the Z06. The better the new Viper is the more interest it will generate thus creating more potential buyers. By the way, I never said anything good about corvette depreciation. I haven’t really looked at vette prices in a while but I’m sure the C6 and the C6 Z06 made the C5 Z06 drop in value substantially, and all other vettes for that matter. Only the classic and the collectables will not be affected. I would be willing to bet the GTS ACR will not change much in price because it is a special model.
You are wrong! Sorry to put it so harsh, but the Gen 2 prices will not drop substantially. Should you as any Gen 2 owners, it is and never will be the performance that will have them dump their cars to get a new one. Most Gen 2 owners like the cars for the styling and no matter what the new one looks like, it will NEVER be a Gen 2. Most likely (myself included) that should we like the new one enough (which it is getting very close) we will just get it and keep the gen 2 we have.
As far as gen 3 prices, they are low as it is now. You can get a Gen 3 for as low as some gen 2, so I don't think that it will drop that much more if any. But I will admit that their will be a few that would dump their current Z06 for the new Viper. I would even venture to say that more Z06 owners will jump ship than gen 2 owners dumping their cars.
Because we all know how brand loyal they are...
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You are wrong! Sorry to put it so harsh, but the Gen 2 prices will not drop substantially. Should you as any Gen 2 owners, it is and never will be the performance that will have them dump their cars to get a new one. Most Gen 2 owners like the cars for the styling and no matter what the new one looks like, it will NEVER be a Gen 2. Most likely (myself included) that should we like the new one enough (which it is getting very close) we will just get it and keep the gen 2 we have.
As far as gen 3 prices, they are low as it is now. You can get a Gen 3 for as low as some gen 2, so I don't think that it will drop that much more if any. But I will admit that their will be a few that would dump their current Z06 for the new Viper. I would even venture to say that more Z06 owners will jump ship than gen 2 owners dumping their cars.
Because we all know how brand loyal they are...
Thanks for the response King.
The fact that a 1996 GTS still sells for 45K speaks for itself.
Granted the 2006 will still be worth 75K in ten year-----assuming that there is 60K in cash in the glove box
BTW, the Vipers don't go for 90k, you can get an 06 coupe now for in the mid to low 70s because of the unveiling of the 08.
With your statement above, are you saying that the Viper is not on a race proven platform? If you are then you need to go stick your head back in the hole there hermit.
I am not a track racer by any means, but I do watch enough and know enough to know that you smoking some good shit.
If you ended your post after "didn't want to go here," you would have been much better off, because the rest of your post is full of .
Wow! This is fun. Any serious racers here anyway?? It was nice to see the Vipers cheat and still get pounded at the runoffs this year. And what beat them?? Oh yeah it was a C5 vette. Not even the new style but a C5. That is funny among other things. So I am truly glad your "Proven" POS's cant even win once they cheat. Good job guys way to get Dominated. Any of you want to come this way to our tracks be my guest there will be plenty of us to be FTD. It's funny that I dont even have to go past the T1 cars to show how race un-proven you are!. 405 HP and you are
Wow! This is fun. Any serious racers here anyway?? It was nice to see the Vipers cheat and still get pounded at the runoffs this year. And what beat them?? Oh yeah it was a C5 vette. Not even the new style but a C5. That is funny among other things. So I am truly glad your "Proven" POS's cant even win once they cheat. Good job guys way to get Dominated. Any of you want to come this way to our tracks be my guest there will be plenty of us to be FTD. It's funny that I dont even have to go past the T1 cars to show how race un-proven you are!. 405 HP and you are
Am I to understand that a vette guy just admitted that the new Z06 could not stay together long enough on a track to beat a old version (C5)
I believe that what everyone here has been saying....nice to here it straight from a vette guy!
Wow! This is fun. Any serious racers here anyway?? It was nice to see the Vipers cheat and still get pounded at the runoffs this year. And what beat them?? Oh yeah it was a C5 vette. Not even the new style but a C5. That is funny among other things. So I am truly glad your "Proven" POS's cant even win once they cheat. Good job guys way to get Dominated. Any of you want to come this way to our tracks be my guest there will be plenty of us to be FTD. It's funny that I dont even have to go past the T1 cars to show how race un-proven you are!. 405 HP and you are
i won't be able to take anyone like him seriously, show me some proof or stop acting like a race happy 16 year old
Am I to understand that a vette guy just admitted that the new Z06 could not stay together long enough on a track to beat a old version (C5)
I believe that what everyone here has been saying....nice to here it straight from a vette guy!
Actually in scca they would not allow the C6 Z06 in for a few reasons. 1. Nobody could come up with a way to attach a cage to an aluminum frame. 2. They would be too fast for the existing competition. Period. I have seen a few C6 Z06's go like hell on a track but the undelining issue is that it has an aluminum frame. You get penalized for being ahead of everyone technologically. As for people in doubt I run various NCCC and SCCA events and when I am not racing or working in the summer I will be working as a driving instructor at a reputable driving school. I did sound a bit overzealous and that was dumb but the new vette that WILL be coming out modestly rate it at 600hp and sub 3000 lbs weight and guys all aside this really is not that hard figure out. The 600 Viper I am sure will have a bit of an advantage over the Z06 ok but its 20k more. The differences I am sure are not so favorable that this wouldn't be considered a drivers race once everything washes out. My friend who races T1(and won the runoffs) tells me the C5 is still going to be strong running this year. So we will have to see what DCX does to dethrone us but it will be great fun for all of us to see.
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"I admire your scientific approach, but consider this: DC specifically targeted the Z06 as "the car to beat" when they designed the '08. They had the luxury of being able to test directly against the Z and continue tweaking until they were absolutely certain that the new Viper would beat the current Z by a comfortable margin. Considering the embarrassment that DC would suffer if the new Viper doesn't beat the current Z, I'm sure the SRT guys realized that their jobs depend on putting a beat down on GM. I would bet the farm that the '08 Viper will easily dominate the Z in every performance category."
sorry to point this out but the same can be said of the timing and development of the c6 and c6 zo6 using the SRT as the target for the next performance benchmark. It is always a lead follow and then back again
Auto x Al
"I admire your scientific approach, but consider this: DC specifically targeted the Z06 as "the car to beat" when they designed the '08. They had the luxury of being able to test directly against the Z and continue tweaking until they were absolutely certain that the new Viper would beat the current Z by a comfortable margin. Considering the embarrassment that DC would suffer if the new Viper doesn't beat the current Z, I'm sure the SRT guys realized that their jobs depend on putting a beat down on GM. I would bet the farm that the '08 Viper will easily dominate the Z in every performance category."
sorry to point this out but the same can be said of the timing and development of the c6 and c6 zo6 using the SRT as the target for the next performance benchmark. It is always a lead follow and then back again
Wow! This is fun. Any serious racers here anyway?? It was nice to see the Vipers cheat and still get pounded at the runoffs this year. And what beat them?? Oh yeah it was a C5 vette. Not even the new style but a C5. That is funny among other things. So I am truly glad your "Proven" POS's cant even win once they cheat. Good job guys way to get Dominated. Any of you want to come this way to our tracks be my guest there will be plenty of us to be FTD. It's funny that I dont even have to go past the T1 cars to show how race un-proven you are!. 405 HP and you are
Didn't someone just called you out with their stock Gen 2 and you did not reply?
Like I said, track racing is not for me. Tried it twice and did not like it, but I would be glad to see you on the drag strip. I don't have a gen 3 or the new coupe, but I am sure I will not have any problems.
BTW, I know Chuck (the guy who called you out) races, why do you take him up on his offer and I will bet you that he will kick your ass.
Wait you are from MI too, so is Fadi...what do you guys smoke up there? I guess being that close to Canada has its benefits.
Didn't someone just called you out with their stock Gen 2 and you did not reply?
Like I said, track racing is not for me. Tried it twice and did not like it, but I would be glad to see you on the drag strip. I don't have a gen 3 or the new coupe, but I am sure I will not have any problems.
BTW, I know Chuck (the guy who called you out) races, why do you take him up on his offer and I will bet you that he will kick your ass.
Wait you are from MI too, so is Fadi...what do you guys smoke up there? I guess being that close to Canada has its benefits.
I have never been to Moroso nor do i know where it is. But Waterford and Gingerman put the driver who can drive at an advantage. I would be happy to see some of you out there. Drag strips are a bit weak won't really test the driver. I have not built a drag car so therefor I dont drag. My car is only good for maybe a low 13 anyway. I am interested in a form of racing that takes a great driver and a great car. Most vipers I have ever seen lack one or the other. Just remember any of you guys that come out should beat up on a 230HP vette but when the 230HP vette beats up on YOU how do ya feel? I would really like to go up against a couple 400-500 hp vipers I think it would be a great race. Seeing as those in stock form should beat me. Thankfully we dont always go by whats on paper and we actually race. Getting back to the drag racing thing just remember that the Aston Martin ALMS car only runs 11's and do any of you think you could beat them? It's alot more than just the numbers that make a winning race car of course the Viper has yet to have that in this Millennium. If you want to know what it takes to win observe the C6R team in action.
Didn't someone just called you out with their stock Gen 2 and you did not reply?
Like I said, track racing is not for me. Tried it twice and did not like it, but I would be glad to see you on the drag strip. I don't have a gen 3 or the new coupe, but I am sure I will not have any problems.
BTW, I know Chuck (the guy who called you out) races, why do you take him up on his offer and I will bet you that he will kick your ass.
Wait you are from MI too, so is Fadi...what do you guys smoke up there? I guess being that close to Canada has its benefits.
Well your more than welcome to come out to play if your so confident. Bring it out. Stretch it's legs just remember that you do have to turn. I know most of you like going out to drag.
But the Viper lands before the super vette. Trust me being in the car business GM knows full well what they have to maintain #1 it's no secret on either side. With a car that may be as light as 2800 lbs how much more power would they really need? This car could have 600hp and be deadly fast without actually topping them in horse power. Seems to me that DCX has to put another 75-100 to keep up. It's the same old song and dance and we will see how it all shakes out in the end. At least we can all agree that it's sweet that the two cars that fight for supercar supremecy are badass American cars.
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405 HP and you are
