Comparing the 2008 600 hp Viper to the current Z06 and hoping it will win by a considerable distance is a pathetic and shallow victory. What is there to really brag about? My modified 90 hp increased 8.4 liter reworked V-10 is faster than your 7 liter V-8?...God, I would hope so. I think the fair comparison will be the new Viper versus the new supercharged Z06.
I didnt think I would agree with a guy named Z06 killer but him and sylvan prove that there are objective viper owners out there. I couldent agree more. Let's wait and watch the fireworks! On that note I am going to cease participation in this discussion and hopefully we have a close battle for North American Supercar crown and maybe I can even talk Sylvan into doing some auto crossing around here. we all know that we talk a ton of shit on the net but when it comes down to I am sure we are all car guys and racers. So maybe we can arrange another Vette Viper challenge. Lots of cool possibillities.
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i dont really enjoy auto x the runs are just too short, funny you should mention viper vette challenge i stopped by that auto x a couple yrs ago at GM's poll town plant. I much prefer track days or HPDE twenty minute run sessions are much more enjoyable to 3-6 one minute runs.
i dont really enjoy auto x the runs are just too short, funny you should mention viper vette challenge i stopped by that auto x a couple yrs ago at GM's poll town plant. I much prefer track days or HPDE twenty minute run sessions are much more enjoyable to 3-6 one minute runs.
At that point I had my SRT 4. If you were interested we would be more than happy to have you out there. I dont really do the HPDE so much s the NCCC high speed events and we usually have 2 1 hour practice sessions. Last time at Gingerman I was running with a TCC FRC and trying to keep up with him to see his line I ended up turing the brakes a nice bright red.
keep me in mind when you are going to those kind of events or even auto x i will try to make it. thanks a in advance. is your car strictly race car? you could come out to the local PCA driver ed days at waterford if youlike 4 times a year.
I have some good shots of the new stuff at the show and most of the files are too big so if anybody would like what I cant post just give me an address and I will send them. There might be 5 or 6 more I think. Theses are mainly the 675 hp car and the 600 hp car. I didnt really get anything else that DCX had there. Here you go. Sounds like the games are on.
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Its sad that this is what it has come to, speculation on whether or not a stock viper will beat a stock vette. Years ago no one had this conversation, the viper would always come out on top. Sad DC let it come to this. If the viper is going to continue to have the same technology as the vette they should lower the price. Now it only has one reason to be expensive, low production, they used to have 2 reasons. If they decide to keep this engine for 3 years like they did for the genIII vipers they'll continue to lose more and more customers to chevy. I won't be one cause I'll still prefer vipers even though they will continue to be sluggish, but look what the Z06 has already done to dodge, no 07 model.
Never really thought about it like that. I would personally be interested in times of the Viper at Nuremburg. The only car ever to record a time faster than the vette was the Porche GT. And there was somespeculation wheather that was a true lap time.
Its sad that this is what it has come to, speculation on whether or not a stock viper will beat a stock vette. Years ago no one had this conversation, the viper would always come out on top. Sad DC let it come to this. If the viper is going to continue to have the same technology as the vette they should lower the price. Now it only has one reason to be expensive, low production, they used to have 2 reasons. If they decide to keep this engine for 3 years like they did for the genIII vipers they'll continue to lose more and more customers to chevy. I won't be one cause I'll still prefer vipers even though they will continue to be sluggish, but look what the Z06 has already done to dodge, no 07 model.
What a bunch of cry baby rubbish. Did you get pinned down and nailed by a burly man last night or something? Dodge cannot control what Chevrolet does. It's more a statement about Chevrolet that they allowed Dodge to dominate for all of those years, than it is a reflection of the people at Dodge. Back in the 60's the vettes were the top dogs. Did you forget that? Has Dodge responded in a timely fashion to the Z06? I think so. Don't forget that the Z06 is very limited as far as how fast it can be. Show me a 1500hp twin turbo Z06. Oh, you can't? Well, things have not changed all that much then, have they?
Its sad that this is what it has come to, speculation on whether or not a stock viper will beat a stock vette. Years ago no one had this conversation, the viper would always come out on top. Sad DC let it come to this. If the viper is going to continue to have the same technology as the vette they should lower the price. Now it only has one reason to be expensive, low production, they used to have 2 reasons. If they decide to keep this engine for 3 years like they did for the genIII vipers they'll continue to lose more and more customers to chevy. I won't be one cause I'll still prefer vipers even though they will continue to be sluggish, but look what the Z06 has already done to dodge, no 07 model.
Hmm...actually the Viper engine was never a technologically advance engine by any means. The basic make-up of the engine has been around for a long time, so actually GM's "higher tech" engine is not as good as good ole displacement.
The new engine in the Viper is a starting point of an engine that could "potentially" put out over 700HP N/A, whereas the current Z06 engine is maxed out as far as N/A goes. They actually had to use a smaller engine in the SS/Blue Devil, if I am correct, in order for them to S/C it because the current engine will not be able to handle the boost from the S/C.
The Viper will always cost more because they don't have a "base model" like the Vettes to allow them to cut profit margins on the Z06, SS, etc... But I, like most Viper owners, would rather pay a little more than have 15 of the same cars in the parking lot when you go to the store.
BTW, the new SS will not be cheap by any means (should they ever make it), $100k is not that much less than the Mopar performance Viper with 675 N/A HP. But then you wait and see what the factory warranty and deductible, stips, etc.. will be from GM for the S/C vette, you might think twice about getting one.
But I have to thank GM for "talking" about the SS, cause I am sure that had something to do with DC having the Mopar Viper...
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SAE corrected? It's common to see 2-4 percent (i.e., 12-24 hp) variance between commercial dynos, as no two are alike. This seems to confirm DC's 600 hp rating.
What a bunch of cry baby rubbish. Did you get pinned down and nailed by a burly man last night or something? Dodge cannot control what Chevrolet does. It's more a statement about Chevrolet that they allowed Dodge to dominate for all of those years, than it is a reflection of the people at Dodge. Back in the 60's the vettes were the top dogs. Did you forget that? Has Dodge responded in a timely fashion to the Z06? I think so. Don't forget that the Z06 is very limited as far as how fast it can be. Show me a 1500hp twin turbo Z06. Oh, you can't? Well, things have not changed all that much then, have they?
In terms of muscle cars Dodge dominated in the 60s and 70s with the 426, that was R&D, time and $$$ spent, these days they throw shit on the car that has been invented by other companies and do a shitty job at it. The vette was a 2 seater, far lighter than anything dodge made, but the AC cobra was kicking it's ass in those days. Most people expected 650 HP out of the 08 viper with the VVT. Maybe your too much of a dumbfuck to understand the word "STOCK", because twin turbos producing 1500HP do not fit under that meaning! WHERE THE FUCK did you see me say vipers don't kick a vettes ass for tuning? You like to ASSume things don't ya. Dodge should be able to make their stock car fast is what I was saying. For some idiots, that's hard to understand!
In all honesty even the gen 1 vipers that could trap 114 made most of my camps cars seam slow...
But wow..you guys got the 127 mph trapping C6Z and suddenly the 123 mph trapping SRT10 is sluggish????
Come on man. An SRT10 that can trap 120 mph with an average driver in average conditions is a bad a$$ car and fast as hell. It came out 5 years ago!!!!
In all honesty even the gen 1 vipers that could trap 114 made most of my camps cars seam slow...
But wow..you guys got the 127 mph trapping C6Z and suddenly the 123 mph trapping SRT10 is sluggish????
Come on man. An SRT10 that can trap 120 mph with an average driver in average conditions is a bad a$$ car and fast as hell. It came out 5 years ago!!!!
HOW IMPRESSIVE IS THAT?
Your exactly right.
This is the first vette that can actually compete (didn't say beat) with the viper and they (the vette heads) think that they have been at the top of the hill for fifty years. Keep dreaming, as I said earlier, the only thing a vette does faster than a viper is drop in value!!!!
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