[quote=Auto_x_Al;785668]I have not built a drag car so therefor I dont drag. My car is only good for maybe a low 13 anyway. I am interested in a form of racing that takes a great driver and a great car. Most vipers I have ever seen lack one or the other. Just remember any of you guys that come out should beat up on a 230HP vette but when the 230HP vette beats up on YOU how do ya feel? I would really like to go up against a couple 400-500 hp vipers I think it would be a great race. Seeing as those in stock form should beat me. Getting back to the drag racing thing just remember that the Aston Martin ALMS car only runs 11's and do any of you think you could beat them?QUOTE]
From what you said above, you agree that the Viper is faster and the driver is what makes the difference. I have been saying that regarding the Gen 3 and Z06 but you guys disagree, now you say it is the driver.
I would agree with you that you should beat me because you are a better driver, not because you have a better track car.
We are talking about the differents between 2 cars not drivers.
Do I think that my car can beat a Aston, sure, but of course my car is not stock and so is that Aston.
So don't come on here and make claims like you did and then say it is the driver.
Maybe the reason why you see a lot of Vipers with not novice drivers is because they want to be out there learning how to drive their cars. That makes you such a badass driver to beat up on a novice.
Just about a month ago, there was a guy in AZ that brought his car to a local race here (his Vette), his license plate was something like "viper eater" or something along that line. Then a guy with a Viper, probably an average to above average driver made him his bitch. Please keep in mind the Vette was a C5, but it was fully deck out to race with a big wing and all. So I am sure this guy races quite a lot.
My point to the story, if you have an above average driver in his Viper, he will probably give you a run for your money in a track that both of you have the same experience at.
But with all that said I commend you for stating that it is two American cars. Please don't start talking about Supras...
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Rear gear doesn't mean jack sh*t when your making 100lb-ft of torque more than your competitor...the current model (as mentioned) is already practically neck to neck with the C6 Z06 (its really a drivers race)...the extra 95HP will seal the deal with quite a bit of extra*...can't wait to see how dominate that new couple will be on a road course thought being the current model has ALREADY beat the C6 Z06 on the famed streets of willow road course...
Ah ha ha, you have no idea. The current Z06 has slightly more horsepower to the wheels, and weighs 300LBS LESS. They're definitely not "neck and neck" in straight line acceleration heh
Ah ha ha, you have no idea. The current Z06 has slightly more horsepower to the wheels, and weighs 300LBS LESS. They're definitely not "neck and neck" in straight line acceleration heh
I have not built a drag car so therefor I dont drag. My car is only good for maybe a low 13 anyway. I am interested in a form of racing that takes a great driver and a great car. Most vipers I have ever seen lack one or the other. Just remember any of you guys that come out should beat up on a 230HP vette but when the 230HP vette beats up on YOU how do ya feel? I would really like to go up against a couple 400-500 hp vipers I think it would be a great race. Seeing as those in stock form should beat me. Getting back to the drag racing thing just remember that the Aston Martin ALMS car only runs 11's and do any of you think you could beat them?QUOTE]
From what you said above, you agree that the Viper is faster and the driver is what makes the difference. I have been saying that regarding the Gen 3 and Z06 but you guys disagree, now you say it is the driver.
I would agree with you that you should beat me because you are a better driver, not because you have a better track car.
We are talking about the differents between 2 cars not drivers.
Do I think that my car can beat a Aston, sure, but of course my car is not stock and so is that Aston.
So don't come on here and make claims like you did and then say it is the driver.
Maybe the reason why you see a lot of Vipers with not novice drivers is because they want to be out there learning how to drive their cars. That makes you such a badass driver to beat up on a novice.
Just about a month ago, there was a guy in AZ that brought his car to a local race here (his Vette), his license plate was something like "viper eater" or something along that line. Then a guy with a Viper, probably an average to above average driver made him his bitch. Please keep in mind the Vette was a C5, but it was fully deck out to race with a big wing and all. So I am sure this guy races quite a lot.
My point to the story, if you have an above average driver in his Viper, he will probably give you a run for your money in a track that both of you have the same experience at.
But with all that said I commend you for stating that it is two American cars. Please don't start talking about Supras...
Well I think the last viper vs. the current Z06 I think thats a good race all everything else being equal. The 600 HP gen 4 viper vs. current Z06 well I probably would sound stupid making the claim that the current Z would take it. I do think the new vette based on what I have been told will be a faster track car than the gen 4 viper. Of course the new vette being in the neighborhood of 600-650 HP and weight as low as 2800 lbs will probably be more expensive than the Viper. When you take into consideration how much more the viper has been of the years the roles simply reverse.
On a side note Chuck what size tire combo do you run. I have quite a few Hoosier A6's. I run the 17'' CCM classics with 315/35/R17 on the front and 335/35/R17 on the back I bought a bunch of them from a local racer and I got alot 295's that I may or may not use. Just curious if you would be interested. They are 17's as well.
at a track like gingerman or waterford you may be correct now take the same 230hp car and go to mid-ohio, watkins glen, road atlanta where a high hp car can actually stretch its legs and the 230 hp car will have not much chance against a 500 or 600+hp car even with a great driver in the 230 hp car and a average driver in the high hp car
I was being a bit sarcastic. 235 was the rating when the car was stock. I know i have been to road america and a few others. I just like the track that make the driver a determining factor not the motor. Although I did turn in times lower that a new Z06,911 turbo and a 96 viper at Gratttan this year and there is 3200' of straight to stretch there. All were close to stock with a few mods but nothing serious.
I heard the 2015 vette was gonna be fast too, like 900 HP . What the fuck are we talking about cars that have not been produced or presently in production. Vette boys, stay on topic. Compare your current Z06 to the 2008 ViPer (currently being produced or anything earlier). I don't care nor does anyone else give a shit about what GM might build in the next 2 to 100 years!
I could use some 17" track tires for a road course vette I have. Are they new?
They have a few heat cycles but most are 3/32nds or better. The A6 is crazy fast compared to the previous tire and they dont cord like the 05's would. I have a few that only have 3-4 laps on them that look damn near brand new.
I heard the 2015 vette was gonna be fast too, like 900 HP . What the fuck are we talking about cars that have not been produced or presently in production. Vette boys, stay on topic. Compare your current Z06 to the 2008 ViPer (currently being produced or anything earlier). I don't care nor does anyone else give a shit about what GM might build in the next 2 to 100 years!
Last time I looked you dont have a new 600hp Viper in your driveway unless you stole it from the show. The new vette will be there shortly after the Viper so the comparison is valid. You just want to show an apples to oranges comparo. The vette is coming we just don't show our cards to the competition.
There are more than a few 600+ hp vipers out there my friend 698 rwhp '03(paxton s/c) is right here in mich also and i know of at least a few more some with even more hp(s/c and tt). the greater hp makes getting the power power down even tougher even with stickier tyres.
There are more than a few 600+ hp vipers out there my friend 698 rwhp '03(paxton s/c) is right here in mich also and i know of at least a few more some with even more hp(s/c and tt). the greater hp makes getting the power power down even tougher even with stickier tyres.
You missed that one all together. I was simply stating that the new Viper is not being produced yet therefore he negated his whole non-production car argument. The vette and the viper will hit about the same time so the camparison is valid. Period
To a point your correct the new viper is still an evolution of the '03 SRT with a new motor(develped in '00-'02) The curren Z was developed after the the '03 SRTs were already released. i will also give you that the new SS/Stingray is basically an evolution of the current Z with a new motor and some even lighter parts. I hope to see the concept/ supercoupe 675 hp viper come in with some lighter parts also, so we can put the SS against the viper-supercoupe(and roadster i hope!!). They said we'd never see HP wars like we did in the sixties, i'm glad someone is proving them wrong. I feel i can saw we are truly living in the golder age of HP and handling NOW!! Competition does improve the breed.
God Bless American horsepower and the American Supercar and defeat to all that challenge them.
To a point your correct the new viper is still an evolution of the '03 SRT with a new motor(develped in '00-'02) The curren Z was developed after the the '03 SRTs were already released. i will also give you that the new SS/Stingray is basically an evolution of the current Z with a new motor and some even lighter parts. I hope to see the concept/ supercoupe 675 hp viper come in with some lighter parts also, so we can put the SS against the viper-supercoupe(and roadster i hope!!). They said we'd never see HP wars like we did in the sixties, i'm glad someone is proving them wrong. I feel i can saw we are truly living in the golder age of HP and handling NOW!! Competition does improve the breed.
God Bless American horsepower and the American Supercar and defeat to all that challenge them.
Well if you lwoul like to see a bone stock Z06 kill a new Ferrari at Streets of Willow my friend was contacted by a PR rep from the Corvette team and did a head to head with the Ferrari and turned in laps 14 seconds faster! It sounded cool and will be on a show called Mean Machines on discovery around Feb 2nd. You are right these are the years we will all remember 600+hp cars! Holy shit whats next? At least America is on top and will reign supreme!
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Last time I looked you dont have a new 600hp Viper in your driveway unless you stole it from the show. The new vette will be there shortly after the Viper so the comparison is valid. You just want to show an apples to oranges comparo. The vette is coming we just don't show our cards to the competition.
I can show you a number of 1200 hp daily driver vipers. How many 1200 hp daily driven vettes are out there. According to the number build, there should be 25 times more. Where are they, besides in your wet dreams!
I can show you a number of 1200 hp daily driver vipers. How many 1200 hp daily driven vettes are out there. According to the number build, there should be 25 times more. Where are they, besides in your wet dreams!
Being a doctor I would hope you would have caught this but if you have to be talked to like a two year old. You cant buy the New 600 hp viper so why the hell are you playing the Dumbass argument the the new vette isnt out yet. Well dumb fuck the new viper isnt either. Didn't they teach you that 1+1=2?? Or is putting that together too much to ask?
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Comparing the 2008 600 hp Viper to the current Z06 and hoping it will win by a considerable distance is a pathetic and shallow victory. What is there to really brag about? My modified 90 hp increased 8.4 liter reworked V-10 is faster than your 7 liter V-8?...God, I would hope so. I think the fair comparison will be the new Viper versus the new supercharged Z06.
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