I understand what you are saying, and I look forward to seeing this unfold.
As far as an AE goes, if a complete stranger walked up to me and said they saw my wife with the mailman, I would not take them serious. If my friend or neighbor said it, then it would mean something. I just think everyone that posts something damaging to someone else, should do so under their own name. Just like you said, this is not a court of law, it is just a car forum, so let's hope that everyone keeps it real and honest.
I'm afraid you got me there, Rocman. I'm like my trusting husband in this regard...we try to trust people and believe what they tell us. But...we're learning. It only takes getting screwed a time or two to wizen up.
Isn't that right, Monster?
As for the "posting something damaging to someone else"... The damage has ALREADY been done. This thread will, hopefully, be a start to repairing some of the damage.
I respect the way you guys are trying to handle this. Hope it does create the closure you are looking for. BTW, I have some unbelievable info that is going to affect everyone on this site. I will let you all know what it is when I get some time.
I respect the way you guys are trying to handle this. Hope it does create the closure you are looking for. BTW, I have some unbelievable info that is going to affect everyone on this site. I will let you all know what it is when I get some time.
I will say nothing untrue or that I would not be prepared to say in a court of law.
Someone said the truth will set you free. Actually the truth is going to hurt.
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So have you discussed your intentions with an attorney? That would be a good idea. Have you considered the possible ramifications against your finances and how that will affect your family's future? Do you know what a deposition costs these days?
Right now you seem to be offended by being the "butt" of some jokes. Is that the relief you seek? To stop the jokes? Grow up man. That is nothing compared to litigation. I'm sure anything you post will be factual, but it's like they say, you can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride.
Krazy can afford to play this game, but I'm not so sure that you can?
The advice is free, so use it.
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Torquemonster, when you get into a mud wrestling contest you get just as dirty as the other guy. I'm glad to see that you ended up ratcheting down your anger between last night and this morning.
For the avoidance of doubt – only 2 members (TM and Krazypsi) have been called out by the Heffner supporters to put up or shut up, and we are going to oblige. I've agreed to go first.
6 – Dear AE's, stop dragging UGR into this. Try as you might to associate UGR with this whole thread and issue, they are not involved in anything I have posted, and they have no clue what I post until they see it the same time as you do. I do not communicate with anyone at UGR before or after my posting here on these matters.
Someone said the truth will set you free. Actually the truth is going to hurt.
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When you start off lying, how is anyone supposed to take anything else you say as the truth ????
I'm no AE and people can make up their own minds but folks here are not stupid.
I am referring to you and krazy figuring out what to do .... and then you saying UGR is not involved. WTF ??
This thread by UGR says:
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Originally Posted by UnderGroundRacing.com
Underground Racing is pleased to announce today that were are moving forward in a joint venture with Krazy PSI in order to expand our business to support an aggressively expanding speciality performance car marketplace. After proudly serving the Viper community for the past five years, we are adding Lamborghini and Ford GT marquees to our product lines.
Krazy PSI is a well known collector of high performance automobiles in addition to being an experienced venture capitalist. Please join us in welcoming Krazy as an active participant with Underground Racing as we move forward to meet these new challenges.
You have lost credibility, it's obvious what's going on. If you had posted your "story" way back when, it might have counted......now it doesn't mean shit......it's only mudslinging.
So have you discussed your intentions with an attorney? That would be a good idea. Have you considered the possible ramifications against your finances and how that will affect your family's future? Do you know what a deposition costs these days?
Right now you seem to be offended by being the "butt" of some jokes. Is that the relief you seek? To stop the jokes? Grow up man. That is nothing compared to litigation. I'm sure anything you post will be factual, but it's like they say, you can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride.
Krazy can afford to play this game, but I'm not so sure that you can?
The advice is free, so use it.
That's not bad advice there K&N but you will have to forgive me if it rings a bit hollow coming from a legal genius who doesn't seem to know libel requires falsehood. I'm not reading this like Torque is announcing a lawsuit more like he just wants to clear the air. I find it strange that you would be as concerned about his revelations as your thinly disguised attempt to discourage his disclosure would seem to indicate. Very interesting to say the least.
I know Barry to be a man of truth and honesty and would be happy to fund the defense of any attempt to silence him. Counter suits for malicious prosecution can be a bitch too and make one feel very lonely indeed if you get what I mean. I'm devoting some of my time these days to philanthropic efforts that involve the defense of truth and justice and see this issue as a potential candidate.
That's not bad advice there K&N but you will have to forgive me if it rings a bit hollow coming from a legal genius who doesn't seem to know libel requires falsehood. I'm not reading this like Torque is announcing a lawsuit more like he just wants to clear the air. I find it strange that you would be as concerned about his revelations as your thinly disguised attempt to discourage his disclosure would seem to indicate. Very interesting to say the least.
I know Barry to be a man of truth and honesty and would be happy to fund the defense of any attempt to silence him. Counter suits for malicious prosecution can be a bitch too and make one feel very lonely indeed if you get what I mean. I'm devoting some of my time these days to philanthropic efforts that involve the defense of truth and justice and see this issue as a potential candidate.
You can't just say you're telling the truth and the court clerk refuses to file the plaintiff's case. It doesn't work that way. It has to be demonstrated. Even if a person is spreading the truth the damaged party can sue, then it's his word against yours. I seriously doubt Barry and Heff had a contract in writing. If they did, Barry would have sued when the contract was breeched.
Now, if Barry is hoping to get sued so that he can file a countersuit and recover damages on a contract issue that's too old to file on, imo he is being reckless.
If Barry has your financial backing that's great, but he should get it in writing before proceeding. Your act of paying for Barry's defense and emboldening him could also be used to demonstrate that he is acting at your behest and could reduce Barry's credibility by being seen as a participant in a conspiracy.
Hell, maybe Heff won't even care enough to to take action. Slander and libel cases are difficult to win. But there is the possibility he will do it as retaliation, and it will cost Barry tons of money and lost sleep. Barry has to consider this.
Also, by Barry posting on the internet an intent to do harm will be established. And Heff wouldn't have to pay for depositions from witnesses to establish what Barry said. It'll all be here on the Alley. I could see this as being relatively inexpensive for Heff to pursue, if he wants.
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