TM's claims are patently ridiculous. He's obviously a jilted ex-would-be business partner. There is no way to prove anything, it's all just verbal diarrhea that can't be substantiated. What *can* be substantiated makes Barry look like a mental midget. So what benefit is there for Jason to roll up his sleeves and get in the mudpit with Barry?
Barry (apparently) has nothing to lose. Jason does.
Mike
If it were my company I would give my story and set the record straight. Unfortunately for Jason he is losing business the longer this stays out there. Anyone looking up info about his company will surely come across this. With an explanation at least he gives his side of what happened and gives a prospective customer something besides the unflattering accusations from which to base their decision on.
Mike
If it were my company I would give my story and set the record straight. Unfortunately for Jason he is losing business the longer this stays out there. Anyone looking up info about his company will surely come across this. With an explanation at least he gives his side of what happened and gives a prospective customer something besides the unflattering accusations from which to base their decision on.
I can't see a company losing any business over such a thread as this, and that is assuming someone (read: outside source) would even bother to read through the entire thing. If the prospective customer you are referring to is a member of the Viper community (i.e. a member of this board) than I highly doubt they would base a business decision on one person's grievances and without doing research at which point they would find countless other threads (i.e. > 1) that praise Heffner and his business.
From an objective standpoint, that would be like saying the comments given in the UGR pinks and URG/Krazy intro threads would drive customers away from UGR. That won't happen either, as anyone doing research into that specific tuner would also find countless adages praising their work and their results.
If the mere mention of litigation as presented and alluded to in this thread and others is any inclination as to a possible future outcome from all this, I don't see why Heffner would place anything into writing that could be used maliciously against him.
Myself, and many others, would do exactly as Jason is at this current moment and that is not be drawn into a flurry of electronic babble.
My $0.02 which surprisingly is equal to $0.02 USD.
You got real articulate all of a sudden, but I still beg to differ.
What I offered is NOT theory. Barry said he was a high-level CFO guy - FACT. Barry said he was out of cash after a few weeks - FACT. Barry said he came here with no contract - FACT. Barry stated he wanted Heff to hire his friend, provide apartments, etc. Those are all facts and are not in dispute.
Based on those FACTS, I conclude (or theorize if you prefer) that Barry is a halfwit. A mental midget. A bumbling idiot. At the very least he's an obvious and exposed bullshitter. And him being a bullshitter is not a theory, it's a fact too, because he clearly was not in the position he claimed IN HIS VERY OWN POST. It's simple - you make claims, then through your own words you show your claims are obviously untrue, you're by definition a bullshitter. And I simply extended Barry's self-confirmed bullshitting ways to his other comments - after all, once a bullshitter always a bullshitter. Unless you want to think he's only bullshitting about his own background and all the stuff about Heff is all true. Only the most biased could buy that line of reasoning. Oh, wait...
I admire your continued altruism in supporting Barry (hey I do charity work too), but don't make out that it's all just a biased theory because it is not, it is based on the facts.
And just for the record, I do have 2+ pages of +rep's and numerous PM's from people all either laughing at the situation or agreeing with my points so grow a fucking spine and deal with it rather than crying about Barry taking more and more shots to the head. He's already shown himself to be a cretin, what difference does it make if I rattle his brain around some more?
As for repressing opinions... hmm you mean like when you start banging on a guys business, his family, his appearance, his income and make hamfisted threatening comments about being careful of libel and slander and such, and making sure your own biased views get airtime by funding the legal defense of a moron to suppress any opposition to his bullshit?
Hypocrite.
And interestingly, TM has disappeared from this thread. Cockroaches never like the light.
You don't get to call your theories fact just because you say they are. My views are based on personal first hand experience which you have none of regarding this thread. You take obvious facts and twist them into foolish conclusions because again, you have an agenda but zero first hand information. It makes you look stupid when you do that.
There are plenty of people on this thread who have pointed out where Barry was responsible for some of his actions including Barry and they have done it responsibly. You on the other hand pop into this thread like the loud mouth drunk doing bar tricks for free drinks. Keep in mind sometimes people like to encourage a fool to continue his act for the entertainment value alone.
If you had any and I mean any relevant information to add here it would be regarded as such. When the truth comes out as it always does, you will be seen as the lackey hack you really are.
Converting 0.02 U.S. Dollars to Canadian Dollars will yield 0.02 Canadian Dollars.
Sure, that's what the Royal Bank of Canada would say. We already know the Canadians don't know how to spell words like "behaviour". Why should we trust their bank?
I can't see a company losing any business over such a thread as this, and that is assuming someone (read: outside source) would even bother to read through the entire thing. If the prospective customer you are referring to is a member of the Viper community (i.e. a member of this board) than I highly doubt they would base a business decision on one person's grievances and without doing research at which point they would find countless other threads (i.e. > 1) that praise Heffner and his business.
From an objective standpoint, that would be like saying the comments given in the UGR pinks and URG/Krazy intro threads would drive customers away from UGR. That won't happen either, as anyone doing research into that specific tuner would also find countless adages praising their work and their results.
If the mere mention of litigation as presented and alluded to in this thread and others is any inclination as to a possible future outcome from all this, I don't see why Heffner would place anything into writing that could be used maliciously against him.
Myself, and many others, would do exactly as Jason is at this current moment and that is not be drawn into a flurry of electronic babble.
My $0.02 which surprisingly is equal to $0.02 USD.
You're right, this one thread may not say much... But poeple talk, and the list of people burned by heff seems to be emulating the big bang theory.
Paramount cars being sold the day of races, only to be bought back shortly after.... Guys flying from CA to FL to drive their new TT-Spyder home, only to be stuck on the side of the road a few miles out of town... Then to their dismay finding out it's a known and redundant issue.
THOSE are the things that are very damaging.
Why are their numerous people taking their hef cars to another shop not far from his, and paying out of pocket to fix them?
That tells me a few things. Either Hef told them to f-off, and they are SOL. Or Hef doesn't know how to fix the problem, once again leaving them SOL.
I haven't seen such a masterful display of clusterfucking in a very long time.
You don't get to call your theories fact just because you say they are. My views are based on personal first hand experience which you have none of regarding this thread. You take obvious facts and twist them into foolish conclusions because again, you have an agenda but zero first hand information. It makes you look stupid when you do that.
I call them facts because they are facts. Try to keep up.
TM says he is a CEO level guy and insinuates he was CFO of Goldman Sachs (says they were happy with his service in response to someone calling into question his CFO ability). That's precisely what TM said. TM also went on to say he was running out of cash after 5 weeks. That's a statement of fact because TM said it.
So... which is it?
1) TM was full of shit and never was a CFO-level guy
2) TM was a CFO level guy but never made the real coin
3) TM was a CFO level guy and did make the coin but pissed it away
It's not #2 because in '07 the CFO of Goldman Sachs got over $58 million in compensation, so we know G-S CFO's make bank. So it's 1 or it's 3. If it's 1, he's a liar. If it's 3 he's a shitty CFO. But no matter which it is, the point stands, TM was NOT a high level CFO guy and never had lucrative jobs paying big $$. That is a fact. Therefore we also know that his statement that he could bring this experience to Heffner was apparently a gross embellishment. This is all just based on what TM himself said!
I have never said it's false that Heff made mistakes in putting together engines or that he has PO'ed customers, because I am not party to that. I am party to what TM has said, and I called him out on his bullshit. You lend support to TM's post when it is clearly a bunch of lies and bullshit. I have to question why it's so important to YOU that he be taken seriously?
You also accused *me* of linking you and TM and TM and UGR. That's despite the blindingly obvious fact that in this and the other thread, I went out of my way to say that is not the case, even calling the halfwit out on his comments.
Which leads me to question whether you're just obtuse?
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There are plenty of people on this thread who have pointed out where Barry was responsible for some of his actions including Barry and they have done it responsibly. You on the other hand pop into this thread like the loud mouth drunk doing bar tricks for free drinks. Keep in mind sometimes people like to encourage a fool to continue his act for the entertainment value alone.
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If you had any and I mean any relevant information to add here it would be regarded as such. When the truth comes out as it always does, you will be seen as the lackey hack you really are.
LOL - this happened 3 YEARS ago. What truth is coming out? TM ought to have moved on - Heffner obviously has. Halfwit posted a story full of obvious contradictions and bullshit and he's getting called out on it.
You claim to be taking issue on that point because *I* am trying to drag you in on it by putting you and TM together (that is clearly not the case). So since I am clearly not doing that, what is your agenda in calling me out on it instead of the one who did do it (but who also happens to be the one who'se story you want to be taken seriosuly)? As far as I see, the ONLY ones supporting him are his buddy in NZ, a couple of AE's and you. The on the other side is, well, everyone.
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Paramount cars being sold the day of races, only to be bought back shortly after.... Guys flying from CA to FL to drive their new TT-Spyder home, only to be stuck on the side of the road a few miles out of town... Then to their dismay finding out it's a known and redundant issue.
You may have had a point douchebag, err, I mean douchebaggery, until you tried to dust off and play this one.
I know precisely what happened with that incident and despite you leaving out 95% of the story to make Heffner look as bad as possible, it's not nearly as damning as you'd like to make out.
So why would you embellish the story for maximum effect? There are a lot of posts by Gary and by Wayne singing the praises of their cars and experiences. The worst Wayne has said is that it took longer than he'd have liked but he was the first guy and knew it would - quickly followed up by how amazingly awesome the car is.
You may have had a point douchebag, err, I mean douchebaggery, until you tried to dust off and play this one.
I know precisely what happened with that incident and despite you leaving out 95% of the story to make Heffner look as bad as possible, it's not nearly as damning as you'd like to make out.
So why would you embellish the story for maximum effect? There are a lot of posts by Gary and by Wayne singing the praises of their cars and experiences. The worst Wayne has said is that it took longer than he'd have liked but he was the first guy and knew it would - quickly followed up by how amazingly awesome the car is.
You're claiming I'm embellishing the story... when you can't even keep straight which one of Wayne's builds it was? This car was far from #1, which had it's own laundry list of issues.
Even to call it a moot point... what of the other cars sitting in another shop waiting to be un-heffnered? And you have the nerve to claim I'm leaving out 95% of the story and embellishing for maximum effect.
You're right, this one thread may not say much... But poeple talk, and the list of people burned by heff seems to be emulating the big bang theory.
Paramount cars being sold the day of races, only to be bought back shortly after.... Guys flying from CA to FL to drive their new TT-Spyder home, only to be stuck on the side of the road a few miles out of town... Then to their dismay finding out it's a known and redundant issue.
THOSE are the things that are very damaging.
Why are their numerous people taking their hef cars to another shop not far from his, and paying out of pocket to fix them?
That tells me a few things. Either Hef told them to f-off, and they are SOL. Or Hef doesn't know how to fix the problem, once again leaving them SOL.
I haven't seen such a masterful display of clusterfucking in a very long time.
Wait a minute I'm wayne skiles the owner of The TT Spyder you are talking about.
Not sure where you are getting this bogus info but here are the facts....
Yes flew in to drive it home same way I did with twin turbo gallardo #1.
This car had a defective turbo which failed 425 miles into tirp.
It simply stopped providing boost. No BIG deal drove it back to Sartasota without incident.
Heffner paid for my room and return flight and apologized for Garret
(the turbo manufacturer).
Although a RARE occurence stuff happens. He handled the situation in a first class manner completed my car ...and THIS MONSTER IS AWESOME!
So please don't try to disparage his GREAT reputation.
You aren't going to find a better tunner or
more honorable invidual...END OF STORY!
You're claiming I'm embellishing the story... when you can't even keep straight which one of Wayne's builds it was? This car was far from #1, which had it's own laundry list of issues.
Even to call it a moot point... what of the other cars sitting in another shop waiting to be un-heffnered? And you have the nerve to claim I'm leaving out 95% of the story and embellishing for maximum effect.
Pot...
You assume too much.
I was under the impression that you were referring to the car that Wayne flew to FL to pick up a little while ago - I don't have a perfect memory but as I recall it was 6 weeks back or so.
I am sure Wayne is very happy that you are here to speak on his behalf, because here's what *he* himself said a couple weeks back
"This friggin car is no BS incredible.. If you own a Spider and are even remotely thinking about
this mod.. come drive mine!!!!!!!!!
...
Never enjoyed a car so much in my life!!!!!!!!!"
Yep, sure sounds like a very unhappy customer, that's for sure! He hated the experience with the 1st one so much he went back and got a 2nd one - is that how it went down? He also posted over on the Lambo site that
"Heffner is of course having Garrett replace the Turbo via overnight . He paid for my hotel and return flight. Not his fault the turbo failed. Hell I put 14000 miles on a pair of these same units on TT#1.."
Yep he sure sounds like one seriously pissed off mofo and is one of the many many upset Heffner customers - I'm just really glad YOU are here to slander him with bullshit 2nd hand stories, because if it weren't for chumps like you, we'd all be believing the shit that Wayne is saying about his own car - you know, like how he loves it and how Jason is a stand up guy who took care of him - thank god we have you here to tell us the real story about how Wayne *really* feels about his car because obviously Wayne's lying in all his postings.
Wait a minute I'm wayne skiles the owner of The TT Spyder you are talking about.
Not sure where you are getting this bogus info but here are the facts....
Yes flew in to drive it home same way I did with twin turbo gallardo #1.
This car had a defective turbo which failed 425 miles into tirp.
It simply stopped providing boost. No BIG deal drove it back to Sartasota without incident.
Heffner paid for my room and return flight and apologized for Garret
(the turbo manufacturer).
Although a RARE occurence stuff happens. He handled the situation in a first class manner completed my car ...and THIS MONSTER IS AWESOME!
So please don't try to disparage his GREAT reputation.
You aren't going to find a better tunner or
more honorable invidual...END OF STORY!
LOL
Just to head off any rumors at the pass, I never told Wayne to come here - I just saw what he said about the car over on L-power.
So douchebag above - looks like you picked the right username after all!
Maybe your sleeping together,so why don't you give Jasons Story.Seing as you seem to be qualified to give Barry's.
Just a thought .
Learn how to use quotes.
I am not in any way qualified to give Barry's story. Barry is an imbecile and I am not qualified at all to decipher the loony rantings of imbeciles.
I am, however, qualified to cut through bullshit and expose lies when I see them. It's actually quite easy when the people doing the lying are of the low-IQ variety and aren't smart enough to keep their stories at least somewhat plausible. Having said that, I am not surprised you bought it hook, line and sinker.
As for Jason's story, I made a guess at it previously - and I pointed out that it's just a guess. I haven't talked to Jason in a few years so I have no idea what his side of this story is, but when faced with a blithering idiot like Barry who is doing an outstanding job of making himself look like a buffoon, what reason would Heffner have to want to toss himself into the mix?
Last edited by SRT Mike : April 18th, 2008 at 06:02 PM.
