Looking for a few upgrades. (new member needs help)
I realize that this can be a tough crowd as I have been lurking here and on the Viperclub.org site since buying my GTS back in 2006. It is a 98 silver with 22k miles and for the most part stock. I have been thinking of doing this car up in a major way ever since I sold my whippled 03 cobra. I have an itch to go big with this car. Tossed around an 08 but I just can't see selling the GTS as the lines are timeless. Anyways, the car is forged so I am thinking I could do a turbo system and run well above 1000 on pump gas and God know what on good fuel. I am not adverse to building the motor if needed but would rather not get into this thing for anymore then 40k. What would you guys recommend? I was thinking Heffner because of us both being in FL but isn't he onto mainly other exotics now? UGR is decent, right? Anyone else worth looking at? Sorry for coming on a bit strong for the first post but I am ready to finally do this and most importantly, since my wife ok'd the project, I need to get it started before she second guesses it. Thanks, Bill
You are in S. Florida. Doug Levin (Doug Levin Motorsports) is less than 15 minutes from you. Go take your car to him just to BS about vipers. Then figure out what you want to do. Don't listen to any of us bozos here right now... Come back AFTER you talk to DLM so that you know what questions to ask and what to look for.
Thanks for all the help so far guys. I have a few good leads so far and well see where that takes me. Anyone with real world experience with any of the above mentioned tuners? Would love to ask some Q's offline or via pm to you. Bill
You are in S. Florida. Doug Levin ]Doug Levin Motorsports[/url]) is less than 15 minutes from you. Go take your car to him just to BS about vipers. Then figure out what you want to do. Don't listen to any of us bozos here right now... Come back AFTER you talk to DLM so that you know what questions to ask and what to look for.
JD
Sent you a pm Sir! I thought about Doug Levin because he has a great rep in S. FL but I didn't think he was doing twin turbos for vipers. Am I incorrect? Bill
I always have thought of Doug Levin to be a supercharger guy.
You're in the right price range (and IMO in the right year model of car). What do you plan on doing with 1000hp? If it's just for bragging rights then it sounds like a waste of money, as you wouldn't be breaking any records, but if you track or drag it then you've got a lot more upgrades other than power to look into first. I'd rather have a 750hp car for track or drag with all the suspension, brake, cooling, etc mods than a 1000hp car with nearly everything else bone stock.
Sent you a pm Sir! I thought about Doug Levin because he has a great rep in S. FL but I didn't think he was doing twin turbos for vipers. Am I incorrect? Bill
I always have thought of Doug Levin to be a supercharger guy.
Doug has been doing some TT's recently as well but I think mostly on Lambo's from what I have seen. I bet he could do a viper TT but am not sure he has. Anyway, pm sent.
Bill S, you have a great platform to start building on. If you have not already done so, I would recommend better brakes than what a stock '98 has to offer. Stock brakes are very weak compared to a SRT-10 brakes. I am also in South Florida and I can tell you Doug Levin is your best bet for forced induction in the area. He specializes in paxton blower set-ups but has currently has been working with twin turbo Vipers and TT Lambo's. You can also go to North Florida and check out Roe and their positive displacement blowers. That set-up will offer you the same kind of power delivery that you were used to on your old whipple Cobra, only more fun. If your budget minded, you can run a decent shot (200-250) of nitrous safely, as long as your A/F ratio is on point.
Turbo- Most power, most expensive, $10K+
blower- good power, $7-10K
nitrous- Good power, more torque than a blower when nitrous is used along with propane, less than $2K for a complete kit with all the safety stuff.
You have many routes to choose from to achieve different power levels, figure out what kind of power you need in your application, then you can figure out how much $$$$ you will need to spend to get that power.
Bill S, you have a great platform to start building on. If you have not already done so, I would recommend better brakes than what a stock '98 has to offer. Stock brakes are very weak compared to a SRT-10 brakes. I am also in South Florida and I can tell you Doug Levin is your best bet for forced induction in the area. He specializes in paxton blower set-ups but has currently has been working with twin turbo Vipers and TT Lambo's. You can also go to North Florida and check out Roe and their positive displacement blowers. That set-up will offer you the same kind of power delivery that you were used to on your old whipple Cobra, only more fun. If your budget minded, you can run a decent shot (200-250) of nitrous safely, as long as your A/F ratio is on point.
Turbo- Most power, most expensive, $10K+
blower- good power, $7-10K
nitrous- Good power, more torque than a blower when nitrous is used along with propane, less than $2K for a complete kit with all the safety stuff.
You have many routes to choose from to achieve different power levels, figure out what kind of power you need in your application, then you can figure out how much $$$$ you will need to spend to get that power.
Damn it V10KingSnake, you beat me to it, lol.
You need to re-read the guys post. He is looking for "well over 1000 hp on pump" and a stated budget of "40k". Why you would recommend a Roe blower?
A Roe can make very close to 1000 hp if you use the right combination of power adders. Your going to tell me a Roe at 7 psi with a mild shot (150) of nitrous won't get you close to 1000hp? I've seen 21 psi whippled Cobra's on a 150 shot putting out 900 RWHP. I'm sure a 150 shot on a 7 psi Roe set-up will get you very close to the 1000 hp mark.
A Roe can make very close to 1000 hp if you use the right combination of power adders. Your going to tell me a Roe at 7 psi with a mild shot (150) of nitrous won't get you close to 1000hp? I've seen 21 psi whippled Cobra's on a 150 shot putting out 900 RWHP. I'm sure a 150 shot on a 7 psi Roe set-up will get you very close to the 1000 hp mark.
Quick update. I left Doug Levin a pm over at the VCA board so we'll see where that goes. He is very close. pm's sent back to UGR and CPE. Need to look up Heffner as well as some others chimed in willing to help. Lots of choices here.
Regarding the Roe, no thanks. I am not about to start with nitrous and all that stuff. The Roe is a great power adder but not for what I am looking to build. This car is going to be done right, the first time. Keep them coming boys!!! Thanks Bill.
Bill S, you have twin turbo written all over you, CPE has a nice sidemount kit that should exceed your needs. I am in no way trying to hijack your thread.
V10Kingsnake, this may 10 psi but wouldn't common sense tell you that adding a tuned mild shot (150) to this owners set-up would bring him to the 1000 hp mark? I don't think I'm wrong: 655 + 150 = 805 RWHP, which is about 920 hp at the engine, pretty close and torque should be well north of 1000 ft lbs.
Mark this day in history. Josh and I agree on something. You will not see a 1000rwhp ROE car. Ever. You can't run 21psi on a ROE... compressor isn't big enough / doesn't flow enough air.
A Roe can make very close to 1000 hp if you use the right combination of power adders. Your going to tell me a Roe at 7 psi with a mild shot (150) of nitrous won't get you close to 1000hp? I've seen 21 psi whippled Cobra's on a 150 shot putting out 900 RWHP. I'm sure a 150 shot on a 7 psi Roe set-up will get you very close to the 1000 hp mark.
Where have you ever seen an 03/04 21 lb. KB or Whipple Cobra with a 150 shot getting 900 rwhp?
No way will an un-intercooled Autorotor on a Viper, even if the 2.8H was available for it, ever make 1000 rwhp.
Thanks, Bill
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