True, very true. BUT there is one pedicular scumbag that has old lady complex (can't keep a secret, loves to gossip) This one person on here that you could call and give false information to and it will eat him up till he spills the beans. The whole time being nothing but a big lie. This person has told stories that were told to him in confidence and he still repeated them. He has stabbed more people in the back than any 10 people I know put together. This person will fuck you if given the chance. So beware don't tell him anything you don't want other people to know. If you already have you better not piss him off. He is scum and sucks up to anyone who he thinks he can take advantage of. He is also a glory seeker. He tends to try and hang with the popular crowd. It makes him feel important. He is making the crowd he supports look bad because almost all accusations he makes end up a bust for him. My guess would be he was the punk kid in his school years that had to suck up to the tough guys just so he didn't get his ass kicked everyday. Ran his mouth to people when he was around the kids that could protect him. Then when they were not there he would make up shit about them just to fit in. Again he is scum.
Oh shit!
they must be breeding then, because this kind of crap started with the DLM nutswingers (NOT Doug) when Heffner started to make inroads to "their domain"
Then it sprung legs and movedto the Heffner camp (NOT Jason) when UGR started giving them a hard time at the track
Now it looks like it's moved to the next camp and giving CPE shit... the common denominator in all of it is there are tattle tales in the other camps that feed it and start the fires. Little gossip whores
I've had plenty in my ears over the years now I just cannot be bothered listening
it is all bullshit and none of the tuners are typically involved. Neither Doug, Jason nor Kevin would stoop to this.
It is always the "good ol boys" in the nutswingers club that have an axe to grind and have such a narrow view of life they think that if someone is not in their camp they must be the enemy. Seems like a sure way to go thru life in constant war... losers
Guess that means CPE is coming of age then if it attracts the same shit the others have gone thru before
True, very true. BUT there is one pedicular scumbag that has old lady complex (can't keep a secret, loves to gossip) This one person on here that you could call and give false information to and it will eat him up till he spills the beans. The whole time being nothing but a big lie. This person has told stories that were told to him in confidence and he still repeated them. He has stabbed more people in the back than any 10 people I know put together. This person will fuck you if given the chance. So beware don't tell him anything you don't want other people to know. If you already have you better not piss him off. He is scum and sucks up to anyone who he thinks he can take advantage of. He is also a glory seeker. He tends to try and hang with the popular crowd. It makes him feel important. He is making the crowd he supports look bad because almost all accusations he makes end up a bust for him. My guess would be he was the punk kid in his school years that had to suck up to the tough guys just so he didn't get his ass kicked everyday. Ran his mouth to people when he was around the kids that could protect him. Then when they were not there he would make up shit about them just to fit in. Again he is scum.
Ok guys,
I am not sure of the issues between CPE or myself and the world here, but this has turned in to a mess. The car made incredible power and drives great on the street...period. The car had a decel smoking issue as described by Paolo and the owner was informed of this at the time. There was some play in the one turbo shaft and Paolo replaced both to satisfy mine, his and the owners concerns. They were installed and the tuning continued....the smoking was still there and it did it light at idle, none at wot, and more at high vaccum (decel on pulls). Paolo and I both decided it was not effecting performance and decided to verify everything related to the issue was ok and tried to determine the cause. We had done a leak down and compression before any pulls were made to have a known condition of the motor before starting.(standard practice for CPE) When the wastgate springs were changed we decided to check the leak down again to verify there were no changes in the motor and everything was within the same percentages....every cylinder was within 1-2 percent (the first were on a hot motor and the second on a cold motor)(that may be the difference between the two tests). The plugs looked great, no detonation, great burn pattern, and good coloration. The car has no excessive blow-by from the catch can or any issues from the dipstick either. (any engine with ring issues with boost will push severe amounts of vapor into the cans or push the dipstick out of the tube (this car has none of these problems). I know from my own experience that I had a similar issue with a set off heads I ported and the seals ended up being the problem....I put a different style valve seal on and the problem went away....I had used the other seal on all my heads before with no issues....I am not sure what changed, but something did for sure.
As far as the tune on the car, the tune was set up on a load table for timing and fuel. The car can run off of 5, 15, or twenty five pounds....it doesn't matter. I have a pump gas version and a race gas version...the timing curves are the only varying factor. On all of the pulls my a/f was between11.7 and 11.9, on the "trouble pull" as everyone is calling it the a/f was 12.1-12.3....was I expecting it to go to 22 psi....no, but was the tune close to where it needed to be....yes.
Next, the dyno numbers, temps, smoothing...etc. There were no smoke and mirrors going on. I always use sae with a smoothing of 5 when I make pulls...period. I give the customer (Paolo in this case) a standard and a sae version of printout for his use. The corrected numbers were never posted and they were higher by the way, nobody was trying to say it made more than it did...I believe both were posted in the other thread if I am not mistaken. Oh, my shop has heat....that is why the sheet say 70 degrees not 20 as it was asked in the other thread.
Anyway, enough off my ranting....I know that I am being acussed of being a CPE camp member and that is not the case. Paolo is a customer that has turned into a friend. I think he has a nice turbo package for the price that has great potential. I am sure that none of the other Tuners have made their first kit to perfection and sometimes it take a few trys to work all of the bugs out. I know that I have learned alot over the years and you learn more every day from trying different things. I think that may be the case here as far as the intake piping goes.
I also want to say the car was not returned to the customer with problems and nobody has said here you go to Tom....there you go. Speaking for myself, I have offered to help in any way possible to solve any of the concerns and I believe Paolo is doing the same. I want the car delivered in perfect shape and make the numbers listed for a long time to come....
Joe
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Ok guys,
I am not sure of the issues between CPE or myself and the world here, but this has turned in to a mess. The car made incredible power and drives great on the street...period. The car had a decel smoking issue as described by Paolo and the owner was informed of this at the time. There was some play in the one turbo shaft and Paolo replaced both to satisfy mine, his and the owners concerns. They were installed and the tuning continued....the smoking was still there and it did it light at idle, none at wot, and more at high vaccum (decel on pulls). Paolo and I both decided it was not effecting performance and decided to verify everything related to the issue was ok and tried to determine the cause. We had done a leak down and compression before any pulls were made to have a known condition of the motor before starting.(standard practice for CPE) When the wastgate springs were changed we decided to check the leak down again to verify there were no changes in the motor and everything was within the same percentages....every cylinder was within 1-2 percent (the first were on a hot motor and the second on a cold motor)(that may be the difference between the two tests). The plugs looked great, no detonation, great burn pattern, and good coloration. The car has no excessive blow-by from the catch can or any issues from the dipstick either. (any engine with ring issues with boost will push severe amounts of vapor into the cans or push the dipstick out of the tube (this car has none of these problems). I know from my own experience that I had a similar issue with a set off heads I ported and the seals ended up being the problem....I put a different style valve seal on and the problem went away....I had used the other seal on all my heads before with no issues....I am not sure what changed, but something did for sure.
As far as the tune on the car, the tune was set up on a load table for timing and fuel. The car can run off of 5, 15, or twenty five pounds....it doesn't matter. I have a pump gas version and a race gas version...the timing curves are the only varying factor. On all of the pulls my a/f was between11.7 and 11.9, on the "trouble pull" as everyone is calling it the a/f was 12.1-12.3....was I expecting it to go to 22 psi....no, but was the tune close to where it needed to be....yes.
Next, the dyno numbers, temps, smoothing...etc. There were no smoke and mirrors going on. I always use sae with a smoothing of 5 when I make pulls...period. I give the customer (Paolo in this case) a standard and a sae version of printout for his use. The corrected numbers were never posted and they were higher by the way, nobody was trying to say it made more than it did...I believe both were posted in the other thread if I am not mistaken. Oh, my shop has heat....that is why the sheet say 70 degrees not 20 as it was asked in the other thread.
Anyway, enough off my ranting....I know that I am being acussed of being a CPE camp member and that is not the case. Paolo is a customer that has turned into a friend. I think he has a nice turbo package for the price that has great potential. I am sure that none of the other Tuners have made their first kit to perfection and sometimes it take a few trys to work all of the bugs out. I know that I have learned alot over the years and you learn more every day from trying different things. I think that may be the case here as far as the intake piping goes.
I also want to say the car was not returned to the customer with problems and nobody has said here you go to Tom....there you go. Speaking for myself, I have offered to help in any way possible to solve any of the concerns and I believe Paolo is doing the same. I want the car delivered in perfect shape and make the numbers listed for a long time to come....
Joe
Well, shit. As much as I was looking forward to some incredible drama on the Alley today, it doesn't look like there's going to be much, if any.
It started out great. Another "shit's broke" thread with the finger pointing just getting started. I was ready for at LEAST 10 pages of excuses and hilarity. The problem is, I've never known Joe Donovan to be anything but honest and professional. Regardless of what anyone thinks about the CPE kit, or Paolo himself, I'd be hard pressed NOT to believe this particular explanation simply because of the source. If Joe said he personally checked the compression and he personally inspected the plugs, and he personally inspected the play on the turbos, etc., then I believe him.
It's clear that there is some sort of gremlin in the build, but it sounds like PBJ has a handle on it and will likely get it figured out.
I hope it's nothing serious, for the customer's sake.
He knows who he is and does not have the balls to admit who he is. If I were not sure who it was I would not have put that post up.
Hint: search the word shitburger and of all the people who show up who would be low enough to post that shit.
Another hint: His belly drags the ground when he crawls.
Yeah, kinda thought that as there were other indicators as well...just goes to show that some people are not as smart as they think they are. Fucking grown man wanting to fuck around with someone's living...and for what reason other than to be a self serving prick?
Yeah, kinda thought that as there were other indicators as well...just goes to show that some people are not as smart as they think they are. Fucking grown man wanting to fuck around with someone's living...and for what reason other than to be a self serving prick?
He did it to me for no reason and now he is doing to Palo for no reason. I do belive what comes around goes around. There is no reason to mess with a mans living. Thats just wrong.
He did it to me for no reason and now he is doing to Palo for no reason. I do belive what comes around goes around. There is no reason to mess with a mans living. Thats just wrong.
As stated earlier, he will stab you in the back given the chance. Anyone dealing with this guy is in for a lifetime of problems.
You know it is funny, really. I was not going to chime in until someone had the balls to say it, and Dubs was the first. It happens that all of those so quick to point the finger were dead wrong. Although I am not going to say exactly that I didn't know what was coming, I am not taking the credit for this thread. I also won't say who the AE was so don't bother asking. You know, in all posts I've made on the alley, I have never had a problem telling a guy here I didn't care for just that. I do not like Paolo one bit. I have never held back in telling him that either. "Shitburger" is the phrase used to chastise me? Fucking hilarious you fucking asswipes. It isn't even the word that was posted! Try searching the word AS IT WAS TYPED SHIT BURGER. With a space between both words. Comes out a bit differently, huh? Anytime, and I quote, ANYTIME I have had an issue with something posted or someone in general, MY HISTORY HERE has dictated the opposite this thread started so those that think it was me can eat a fucking dick. Very few people know who wrote this thread and I assure you nobody in here is in that circle. If the other party chimes in fine, if not fine too. I could care less because you know what, Paolo knows how I feel about him from what I said, and you all read many times, using the screen name v10kingsnake. Those that think I needed to hide behind an ae to say the same and uses a mis-searched word phase as their basis is a fucking twit. shitburger=v10kingsnake
shit burger= not. Good Night
